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DA Mini Mafia #4 (Town+Benign win!)

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faervel
Alisae
Drunkion
Debi
Pepchoninga
Lux
DanelerH
CrimsonOverlord
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DA Mini Mafia #4


What is Mini Mafia?

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Roles:
PLEASE BE SURE TO READ OVER EVERY ROLE! THERE'S A TON OF NEW ROLES AND PLENTY OF ROLES ARE DIFFERENT HERE THAN IN WOLF MAFIA!

Town:

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Mafia:

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Evil Neutrals:

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Benign Neutrals:

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Order of Operations

This is the order night actions take place in:

1. Jailor jails target
2. Night chats open up
3. Commuter leaves Town
4. Veteran goes on alert
5. Dancers block
6. Crier cries
7. Witch witches
8. Bus Driver/Kidnapper switch targets
9. Watcher/Stalker sets up
10. Survivor uses vest
11. Bodyguard guards
12. Spree Killer sets up
13. Jailor/Executioner executes
14. All other kills
15. Doctor saves
16. Framing
17. Auditor
18. Investigations (sheriff, executioner, watcher, etc.)
19. Cleaning
20. Gunsmith hands out gun
21. Coroner
22. Graverobbing
23. Thievery
24. Cult recruit
25. Mason recruit
26. Amnesiac chooses role
27. Student chooses mentor
28. Cult Suicides


Sign Ups

BEFORE SIGNING UP, PLEASE ASK YOURSELF "Do I have enough time to actively post during the day phase, at least three times a day, and submit my night action ever night?" If the answer is no, you might want to sit this game out or sign up as a reserve.


Accepted Participants:

1. CrimsonOverlord
2. DanelerH
3. Lux
4. Pepchoninga
5. Debi
6. Drunkion
7. Dazo
8. faervel
9. ZeroPassion
10. YoungX
11. 

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15. 

Reserves:
1. 
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Prizes

Winners receive 1,500 DP


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Btw these are my current opinions on whos role is which
Benign Neutral - Zeropassion
Evil Neutral - DanelerH/Dazo
Mafia - Dazo/DanelerH and Lux
Town - Everybody else

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@CrimsonOverlord

I meant that what Pep says doesn't make any sense:He said that the real reason is in hiding cause there's no reason for them to show up and be unsafe while the fact is the doc CAN and WILL protect them and all it's needed for the "fake" lux claim to be lynched is for them to show up.

So after some thoughts i've decided to switch my lynch:

/Unlynch Lux


Now to switch to ZP or Peps...?I am really willing to vote any of the 2 for stated reasons so I'd follow a lynch on both.

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@Debi could you give a more extensive opinion on the situation concerning @Lux and @Dazo?


k. @Lux see? It wasn't that hard. While it's not a satisfying answer it is something. Maybe you will have a better understanding what to do after we hear @ZeroPassion and @Debi in a more in debth explanation and opinion on the curent discussions.

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@faervel this wasn't my saying actually. I mostly quoted @CrimsonOverlord and added since I agreed with what he said.


Again let's not forget it is not wise for somebody to claim sheriff now as well. Why? We have 2 mafia players. If @Lux is the sheriff but due to the extensive pressure he gets from me people don't belive him and well they pronably shouldn't we have 2 people who can potential say they are sheriff mostly to trick the doctor. The evil neustral would also benefit from a claim like this. 


That's is what I would think if I was the sheriff in this situation. It is too risky and also unnecessary at THIS moment.  

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Also @NightBot please inform us how much time we have till the end of Day 2 and also maybe consider extending it a bit more since we need the opinions of the other players. 

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Pepchoninga wrote:
@faervel this wasn't my saying actually. I mostly quoted @CrimsonOverlord and added since I agreed with what he said.


Again let's not forget it is not wise for somebody to claim sheriff now as well. Why? We have 2 mafia players. If @Lux is the sheriff but due to the extensive pressure he gets from me people don't belive him and well they pronably shouldn't we have 2 people who can potential say they are sheriff mostly to trick the doctor. The evil neustral would also benefit from a claim like this. 


That's is what I would think if I was the sheriff in this situation. It is too risky and also unnecessary at THIS moment.  


Look, a healthy attidute inside my head is telling me that if someone else was The Sheriff, or is The Sherrif, they would already claim to be one. 

Because if someone did so you'd know one of us is lying and due to fact that I was already much suspected I'd probably already be lynched. 

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Pepchoninga wrote:
@faervel this wasn't my saying actually. I mostly quoted @CrimsonOverlord and added since I agreed with what he said.


Again let's not forget it is not wise for somebody to claim sheriff now as well. Why? We have 2 mafia players. If @Lux is the sheriff but due to the extensive pressure he gets from me people don't belive him and well they pronably shouldn't we have 2 people who can potential say they are sheriff mostly to trick the doctor. The evil neustral would also benefit from a claim like this. 


That's is what I would think if I was the sheriff in this situation. It is too risky and also unnecessary at THIS moment.  


Uhhh...don't you get it?If there's a counter claim one WILL get lynched DA Mini Mafia #4 (Town+Benign win!) - Page 15 576792747

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Lux wrote:
Pepchoninga wrote:
@faervel this wasn't my saying actually. I mostly quoted @CrimsonOverlord and added since I agreed with what he said.


Again let's not forget it is not wise for somebody to claim sheriff now as well. Why? We have 2 mafia players. If @Lux is the sheriff but due to the extensive pressure he gets from me people don't belive him and well they pronably shouldn't we have 2 people who can potential say they are sheriff mostly to trick the doctor. The evil neustral would also benefit from a claim like this. 


That's is what I would think if I was the sheriff in this situation. It is too risky and also unnecessary at THIS moment.  


Look, a healthy attidute inside my head is telling me that if someone else was The Sheriff, or is The Sherrif, they would already claim to be one. 

Because if someone did so you'd know one of us is lying and due to fact that I was already much suspected I'd probably already be lynched. 


Sorry, I need to re-phrase this.


The point is, someone would have claimed Sheriff if they really are one. 

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Welp im not framing lux for now. I still think either dazo or zp are guilty though

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CrimsonOverlord wrote:
Welp im not framing lux for now. I still think either dazo or zp are guilty though


May I know your reasonings for suspecting ZP? Please let me know if you have posted them already, so I can look them up. 

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Deam @Lux why you making it so hard for me...


Anyways, @ZeroPassion we need you! 


I will not be active till the moarning, so @NightBot please extend the Day a bit more! 

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Pepchoninga wrote:
Also @NightBot please inform us how much time we have till the end of Day 2 and also maybe consider extending it a bit more since we need the opinions of the other players. 

7 hours from the time of this posting. Not extending it anymore.

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CrimsonOverlord wrote:
So @dazo you are trying to save your own skin? Well you are entitled to your opinion anyway. @faervel @zeropassion @debi @danelerh Would like to know what you guys think so far.
Um, I don't know about you, but I don't think anyone here wants to get lynched.

Lux wrote:
And I have chosen to play like this today with a purpose. I know it might (probably will) hurt town at the end but I have chosen this style of playing for a reason because of the last game. 
A sheriff that is trying to hurt the town? That sounds a lot more like what a fuckin consig would do.

Lux wrote:
My plan so far is to investigate (if I'd be able to) either:


@ZeroPassion - Something is telling me he's not Town
@Pepchoninga - I want to see is my suspection towards you right or not.
@Debi - because of his Citizen claim. 
Didn't we all just explain why listing out who you are investigating is stupid? The only reason why this would be somewhat of a good idea is if you are mafia, because you know if you are the consig, a framer doesn't exist.

Lynch count
Peppy 2 (Dazo, Lux)
Lux 2 (Peppy, Debi)
Dazo 1 (ZP)

Heavy FoS on Lux

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@Debi Dan cannot possibly be alligned as Neutral Evil, as if Lux investigated him, Lux would know his exact role.

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Dazo wrote:
@Debi Dan cannot possibly be alligned as Neutral Evil, as if Lux investigated him, Lux would know his exact role.


Do you mean @DanelerH here? 

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Nope, Debi said Dan could be Neutral Evil and I was just simply correcting him.

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Dazo wrote:
CrimsonOverlord wrote:
So @dazo you are trying to save your own skin? Well you are entitled to your opinion anyway. @faervel @zeropassion @debi @danelerh Would like to know what you guys think so far.

Um, I don't know about you, but I don't think anyone here wants to get lynched.

Lux wrote:
And I have chosen to play like this today with a purpose. I know it might (probably will) hurt town at the end but I have chosen this style of playing for a reason because of the last game. 

A sheriff that is trying to hurt the town? That sounds a lot more like what a fuckin consig would do.
Out of contest. I have chosen my playstyle for this round for a purpose, and what I'm trying to pull of is that what seems obvious in this game shouldn't be trusted. I still truly believe Town is gonna win this. And if I have to die to do that, then let it be. 
Lux wrote:
My plan so far is to investigate (if I'd be able to) either:


@ZeroPassion - Something is telling me he's not Town
@Pepchoninga - I want to see is my suspection towards you right or not.
@Debi - because of his Citizen claim. 

Didn't we all just explain why listing out who you are investigating is stupid? The only reason why this would be somewhat of a good idea is if you are mafia, because you know if you are the consig, a framer doesn't exist.
And if I have refused to do so, I'd get called out for dodging questions again. 
Lynch count
Peppy 2 (Dazo, Lux)
Lux 2 (Peppy, Debi)
Dazo 1 (ZP)

Heavy FoS on Lux

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Dazo wrote:
Nope, Debi said Dan could be Neutral Evil and I was just simply correcting him.


Oh, sorry, ignore this. I didn't see Dan after Debi's tag. So I thought the person you was talking about was Debi, not Dan. 

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The only thing being against zp is he agrees with everyone then disagrees and repeat. imo he is neutral

Dazo became quite interesting with his current post. 
Faer seems townlike.
Rest idk

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Pepchoninga I happily will, but first I'd to explain my other opinions first.
For ZeroPassion I consider him to be a Benign Mafia due to his playstyle throughout the game thus far. What he has been doing has had no direct benefit for mafia or town on first or second glance, therefore I find him to be a neutral instead. I ruled out Evil Neutral due to his lack of aggression thus far. He has changed the targets he had been pressuring on multiple occaisons. I find this to be an act which symbolises that he has a win condition that coincides with the town win condition. Due to this I believe that we can rule out him being an Executionist. As this is likely the case we are left with Amnesiac, Student or Survivor. Both of them are likely to be the case and I'll now explain my reasoning for this. Considering what I has just explained, if he were to be a Survivor, his passive playstyle would be so he would only need to use his vests when he really had to. If he was a student, his passive playstyle would be necessary to once again reduce suspicions, until he is completely certain on somebody being a role that he can win with. Amnesiac would follow the same situation as he would have to wait for somebody to die, with a role that he believes he can win with.
For DanelerH it is pretty much the opposite. His actions are similar to ZeroPassion's, but instead he instigates arguments, due to this I believe him to be any Evil Neutral par Serial Killer. I doubt he is the Serial Killer role due to only one person dying in Night 1. The only exception could be if he hit a Godfather, or the attacker got healed. Nobody has admitted to themselves being attacked so I have decided to rule it out.
For faervel I think he would be town, due to the very simple fact that he isn't good with any other factions, and he is playing at least half decent this game.
For Pepchoninga, I doubt that he is any of the Neutrals do to his limited targeting, with the high majority being aimed towards Lux. I decided to rule out the fact that he could be mafia because of this. Even after Lux lost a lot of attention, Pepchoninga still kept and keeps on pressuring him, this isn't something a mafia member would do, as any intelligent mafia member would change targets and try to get the other lynched instead. However I'd imagine him to be one of the two hidden roles, and a powerful one at that, merely do to his amount of agression.
As for CrimsonOverlord, I would expect him to be the Doctor, similarly to Pepchoninga, his targets for his pressuring have been primarily singular, being Lux. He has shown much more of a passive playstyle in a comparison to Pepchoninga, which makes me rule out the second hidden town rule, as it would be much worse if a Doctor made a mistake, compared to other roles.
For YoungX I haven't bothered to make an opinion of him, as its fairly obvious he is going to get removed from the game due to his lack of activity. He is one of the reasons as to why I doubt Lux to be a Sheriff but I'll get onto that momentarily. However, as much as I expect for him to be removed from the game, we shall see what eventuates.
Now then I'll get onto Dazo. Its a bit short as it befalls within the reason for why Lux is Mafia. He has done very little pressuring within this game so far, his only significant actions have been continuously defending Lux. Due to this it immidiately rules out Evil Neutral, as there is no reason for an Evil Neutral to go to such lengths in order to protect somebody. The same applies to Benign Neutral, but he could still be a role, as I can see a reason for a Benign Neutral to continuously defend somebody. If Dazo is continuously defending someone as a Benign Neutral, he clearly wants them left alive. I find the explanation for this to sync with a Students playstyle, if he is completely certain on Lux's role he can study them later, for a much simpley game. I can see him being a mafia member also due to his amount of defending as the only instances in which this would happen, when you are convinced upon someones role, would be a town protecting a town, or mafia defeinding mafia. I doubt he would be town due to the little pressure he is exerting. I'll explain this later whe I get onto Lux, in order to try to stop repetition.
Now then its time for me to explain why I think he is mafia isn't it. First things first I want to talk about how he has been pressuring thus far. It has currently been very little, which is understandable based upon the sheer amount of pressure he himself has recieved, however now that it has lowered to roughly 3 people, he has been much more selective. As for his targeting cuurently against Pepchoninga, I find it to be extremely flawed. What is the actual point in targeting somebody who everyone believes to be innocent? For town it would be stupid as nobody would believe you, and would likely turn against you again. Therefore I'll explain why it is acceptable for a mafia to do it instead, considering I belive DanelerH or Dazo to be the other mafia. There is nothing wrong with a mafia playing passuve, and attacking people who are not pressuring them, which I strongly believe to be the case, if Dazo is the other mafioso. They could have Lux prod for information on who has what role, then when Lux blunders, Dazo would continue to protect him, as a lot of people find Dazo to be innocent. As for if DanelerH was the second mafiso, this would also work. DanelerH has a good reputation of being able to divert pressure, so what I believe the strategy to be, is DanelerH tries to gain general information on roles, where Lux goes for specific information. If Lux were to make a mistake, I have zero doubt that DanelerH could protect Lux, due to his reputation, and the fact everyone but me find him to be innocent currently. When you consider Lux' investigation, there are 2 likely outcomes which work with both. If Dazo is the mafia member, Lux easily could have investigated DanelerH, due to him being the first to question it ( this further makes me think DanelerH is an evil neutral as he had 0 complaints about Lux' explanation which completely suprised me, considering 4 others did). If DanelerH is the other mafia member, I believe Lux' 'Investigation' to be in order to make DanelerH seem indoubtably innocent within others's opinions. Also I dislike his Sheriff call for a similar reason, 'Why did he only act because fo DanelerH?' The reasoning behind this being a lie is because they could have planned on it, in order to make DanelerH become safer. Also I dislike the claim as, even though he was under pressure, he had no chance of getting lynched, which just comes across as suspicious to me. Also there is still the chance that YoungX is the sheriff, or that the real sheriff is worried to go after Lux as he would get turned upon, tgere is also the situation in which the actual sheriff only logged on after the Sheriff claim, so they couldnt counter claim, as nobody would believe them, as people trusted Lux much more after that terrible Sheriff claim.
Everything I have said it purely my personal speculations, if you do not agree with them, I fully understand. Also by the way. For Debi, he is innocent. In addition, I will not revoke my lynch vote on Lux until he is more than undoubtedly provn to be the Sheriff.
 /Lynch Lux

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That post was so much longer than I thought it was...

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/Unvote Dazo
/Vote Debi

Hardcounterclaiming Citizen now.

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I hope I didn't catch this at a dead hour, either.

I asked Debi is they were still claiming Citizen because of my opinion with the fact of how I believe Lux is acting like dumbtown to claim a different role and put Debi on my susp list because of it - the tone of the claim sounded awkward.

Getting through other issues, the lynch is either me or Debi, it should not be Lux because of the whole situation, either.

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@CrimsonOverlord
@DanelerH
@Dazo
@faervel 

To get this thing turned around e.e

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Finally something we can properly work with.  If both Zero and Debi are claiming Citizen, one of them has to be the Mafia.  I'm going to review the posts made by each of them before coming to a decision on who to lynch.

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/Lynch Debi


Took ya forever...let's hope it's not too late.
Though question here;You told me to NEVER ignore a random claim yet you did so on Debi's this game and had to have him confirm again on his role.May I know why didn't you claim citizen earlier? @Zeropassion

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/Unlynch Pepchoninga
/Lynch Debi

Yeah, now that I think about it, you asked Debi to confirm if he was citizen. Wouldn't it have been a better time to do it after you did that?

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/lynch Debi

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faervel wrote:
/Lynch Debi


Took ya forever...let's hope it's not too late.
Though question here;You told me to NEVER ignore a random claim yet you did so on Debi's this game and had to have him confirm again on his role.May I know why didn't you claim citizen earlier? @Zeropassion


I'm changing this to black because it's hard on my eyes in yellow.

Because of how I believe Lux is claiming a different role as town, I was cautiously watching Debi and how they were going to respond to their votes against Lux, and to see if Debi would have claimed something else.

In my view, if they were to claim something else while they were voting Lux because of the Sheriff w/o a counterclaim bit (which I was never asking for a Sheriff to counterclaim, mind you), it'd be hypocritical for them to be a different role. It went on too long and what Debi has said isn't condensed and doesn't look focused.

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LMAO IT WAS ALL BLACK IN THE QUOTE

Alright, time for me to have a nice hard drink and take a nap.

Which btw the party was nice yesterday Smile

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