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DA Mini Mafia #4 (Town+Benign win!)

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faervel
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Pepchoninga
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First topic message reminder :

DA Mini Mafia #4


What is Mini Mafia?

Spoiler :


Roles:
PLEASE BE SURE TO READ OVER EVERY ROLE! THERE'S A TON OF NEW ROLES AND PLENTY OF ROLES ARE DIFFERENT HERE THAN IN WOLF MAFIA!

Town:

Spoiler :


Mafia:

Spoiler :



Evil Neutrals:

Spoiler :


Benign Neutrals:

Spoiler :



Order of Operations

This is the order night actions take place in:

1. Jailor jails target
2. Night chats open up
3. Commuter leaves Town
4. Veteran goes on alert
5. Dancers block
6. Crier cries
7. Witch witches
8. Bus Driver/Kidnapper switch targets
9. Watcher/Stalker sets up
10. Survivor uses vest
11. Bodyguard guards
12. Spree Killer sets up
13. Jailor/Executioner executes
14. All other kills
15. Doctor saves
16. Framing
17. Auditor
18. Investigations (sheriff, executioner, watcher, etc.)
19. Cleaning
20. Gunsmith hands out gun
21. Coroner
22. Graverobbing
23. Thievery
24. Cult recruit
25. Mason recruit
26. Amnesiac chooses role
27. Student chooses mentor
28. Cult Suicides


Sign Ups

BEFORE SIGNING UP, PLEASE ASK YOURSELF "Do I have enough time to actively post during the day phase, at least three times a day, and submit my night action ever night?" If the answer is no, you might want to sit this game out or sign up as a reserve.


Accepted Participants:

1. CrimsonOverlord
2. DanelerH
3. Lux
4. Pepchoninga
5. Debi
6. Drunkion
7. Dazo
8. faervel
9. ZeroPassion
10. YoungX
11. 

12. 
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14. 
15. 

Reserves:
1. 
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3.



Prizes

Winners receive 1,500 DP


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I don't think the role you're thinking of skit is actually a role here. Maybe some other places, but I don't thinkso here. But what I do know is you should really read the roles.
/Skipday

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For me skipping day would not really help the town much nor the game. 


For now, I would like to hear what other people say and then make a decision. 

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@Pepchoninga that was nice (can"t quote now since I'm on phone, but I mean about looking for a link between in Crims). However, unfortunately, me and Crimson are NOT the scum duo. We were once, and we did the exact same thing on Day 1 (a little argument). I think it's highly unlikely we'd do it again.

Also, I DID claim something and I sti[size=35]ll do. I really am innocent.[/size]


[size=35]Skit, if you think Day 1 is useless, check previous game and why we have stated that Day 1 is perhaps the most important day. Don't make us explain this again. [/size]


[size=35]Getting Evil Neutral vibes (VIBES, not really having any evidence!!) from @CrimsonOverlord (I have also FOS-ed him). [/size]


[size=35]@faervel has said something very wise. @Debi just keeps claiming citizen as a long-term plan when he actually isn't citizen. The odds that he is citizen AGAIN are more or less as likely that I am against Town again. [/size]


[size=35]I like how @Drunkion has changed his attidute about the Day 1. I expect him to contribute more this time during the day. [/size]


[size=35]Last but not least, @NightBot, can we get 8 hour extension because we couldn't reach this site for time being?[/size]

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Also, @DanelerH, we miss your opinions so far. Perhaps you could do a read on everyone? 

Very exciting game this could be.

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Lux wrote:
Last but not least, @NightBot, can we get 8 hour extension because we couldn't reach this site for time being?

3 hours is all I'll do. The maintenance surely didn't last longer than that.

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Dude, day one is just random talk. I have played in groups who value the first day, they allmost allways let the Mafia win because people were accused for nothing. It is silly to charge someone of something you yourself aren't even sure of. It is not like we can read each other's behaivour using text. So this my friends, is useless just skip the day and let's sleep!

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Day one is not random talk. For mafia it could be the start of the win if they do get to trick the town into lynching there own and for town it would be great if they hit a scub or the evil neutral. So no, day one is very important and should be played out even if there isn't a lynch. 


@Lux to me you are just trying to bluff atm and push the pressure of to Debi or Crimson. As I have stated Mafia is not a game were we speculate what could be because you done it before or it just isn't your playstyle, but we analyze what is curently happening. While speculation could be made (I have made them already in this game) it is not the decisive factor. As @Skitoritto said mafia is a game of bluffing and manipulation. If you can do both right, you have a golden chance of winning. But they are also very easy to spot if you know were to look. I'm still holding my theory on you 2 being the scum duo. I'm not entirely sure, but I am sure is that you are definitely not giving me town vibes. 


/lynch Lux 

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@faervel it's the same idea different wording, it just gives mafia 2 targets to be assured of.

@lux ever since you guys almost lynched me to death for opposing day 1

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Lux wrote:
Also, @DanelerH, we miss your opinions so far. Perhaps you could do a read on everyone? 

Very exciting game this could be.

I'd love to, but I'm still waiting on your elaboration.

DanelerH wrote:
Lux wrote:
Okay, enough of jokes.

Pep, the longer I am waiting with my claim the heavier that  claim is. Or what I mean to say, I just want to get the pressure off from me.


Can you elaborate on this a bit more?  I'm not sure what pressure you're referring to.

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DanelerH wrote:
Lux wrote:
Also, @DanelerH, we miss your opinions so far. Perhaps you could do a read on everyone? 

Very exciting game this could be.

I'd love to, but I'm still waiting on your elaboration.

DanelerH wrote:
Lux wrote:
Okay, enough of jokes.

Pep, the longer I am waiting with my claim the heavier that  claim is. Or what I mean to say, I just want to get the pressure off from me.


Can you elaborate on this a bit more?  I'm not sure what pressure you're referring to.


 Will do very soon

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Cmon people, you are going stale.


@DanelerH you can always give your opinion on some of the other things that were said. 

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NightBot wrote:
Lux wrote:
Last but not least, @NightBot, can we get 8 hour extension because we couldn't reach this site for time being?

3 hours is all I'll do. The maintenance surely didn't last longer than that.

Make it six then. I was cut from the access around 18:20 and couldn't reach the site before I went to sleep around 23:30
Skitoritto wrote:
Dude, day one is just random talk. I have played in groups who value the first day, they allmost allways let the Mafia win because people were accused for nothing. It is silly to charge someone of something you yourself aren't even sure of. It is not like we can read each other's behaivour using text. So this my friends, is useless just skip the day and let's sleep!

Tell me, if we don't discuss anything during the Day 1, wouldn't the beginning of Day 2 also be "random" talk? If you still think there is nothing to discuss, there is! I claimed Town, Debi claimed Citizen, other happenings too, play the game no matter is it Day 1 or Day 69. All of them are important just as much. 
Pepchoninga wrote:
@Lux to me you are just trying to bluff atm and push the pressure of to Debi or Crimson. As I have stated Mafia is not a game were we speculate what could be because you done it before or it just isn't your playstyle, but we analyze what is curently happening. While speculation could be made (I have made them already in this game) it is not the decisive factor. As @Skitoritto said mafia is a game of bluffing and manipulation. If you can do both right, you have a golden chance of winning. But they are also very easy to spot if you know were to look. I'm still holding my theory on you 2 being the scum duo. I'm not entirely sure, but I am sure is that you are definitely not giving me town vibes. 


/lynch Lux 

You say that Mafia is a game of bluffing and manipulation, but it's also a game of convincing (that could be kinda put into category of manipulating) and pressuring. And yes, not only me, but other players too use some of the happenings from the past games when going into new one. I don't think that you really think that me and @CrimsonOverlord are the scum duo, I think that you more likely like the idea that we could be (but we aren't). Also, you use my pressuring as a reason to lynch me? Crimson also pressured me. Are you going to lynch him then? 
CrimsonOverlord wrote:
@lux ever since you guys almost lynched me to death for opposing day 1

Seems legit :D 

Lux wrote:
Okay, enough of jokes.

Pep, the longer I am waiting with my claim the heavier that  claim is. Or what I mean to say, I just want to get the pressure off from me.


Can you elaborate on this a bit more?  I'm not sure what pressure you're referring to.



(sorry I screwed up the quoting a bit).

I'm referring to the pressure of revealing my role or faction. I hate doing that later in the game. It's like a secret, the longer you keep it, the heavier/harder it is. You got me or?

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Lux wrote:
DanelerH wrote:
Lux wrote:
Okay, enough of jokes.

Pep, the longer I am waiting with my claim the heavier that  claim is. Or what I mean to say, I just want to get the pressure off from me.


Can you elaborate on this a bit more?  I'm not sure what pressure you're referring to.


(sorry I screwed up the quoting a bit).

I'm referring to the pressure of revealing my role or faction. I hate doing that later in the game. It's like a secret, the longer you keep it, the heavier/harder it is. You got me or?


Except you weren't under any pressure.  You just flat-out soft-claimed.  Why would you claim under non-existent pressure?

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DanelerH wrote:
Lux wrote:
DanelerH wrote:
Lux wrote:
Okay, enough of jokes.

Pep, the longer I am waiting with my claim the heavier that  claim is. Or what I mean to say, I just want to get the pressure off from me.


Can you elaborate on this a bit more?  I'm not sure what pressure you're referring to.


(sorry I screwed up the quoting a bit).

I'm referring to the pressure of revealing my role or faction. I hate doing that later in the game. It's like a secret, the longer you keep it, the heavier/harder it is. You got me or?


Except you weren't under any pressure.  You just flat-out soft-claimed.  Why would you claim under non-existent pressure?

The pressure I was reffering to was inner-pressure. 

I already claimed once Town with no pressure at all, that costed me (because I wasn't Town). But this time I really am Town. I'm not kind of person who makes the same mistake twice.

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@Lux, I'm not sure that you and @CrimsonOverlord are the scum duo yes. It is a theory. And since we don't know how night one goes I can't make alot from this theory. What I can is that you are almost begging people to believe that you are town and not mafia. Trying to put it in creative places in your post. This for me and from my experience and research is an act of panicing...If you truly belived you were innocent you wouldn't try and force this to us in such a visable way. That is why I lynch you and not Crimson. 


Also while you might not be the person that would make the same mistake twice, you could be the person trying out the same plan only this time trying to do it without any mistakes. Your plan could be good if executed right and if not done too oftenly. 

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Pepchoninga wrote:
@Lux, I'm not sure that you and @CrimsonOverlord are the scum duo yes. It is a theory. And since we don't know how night one goes I can't make alot from this theory. What I can is that you are almost begging people to believe that you are town and not mafia. Trying to put it in creative places in your post. This for me and from my experience and research is an act of panicing...If you truly belived you were innocent you wouldn't try and force this to us in such a visable way. That is why I lynch you and not Crimson. 


Also while you might not be the person that would make the same mistake twice, you could be the person trying out the same plan only this time trying to do it without any mistakes. Your plan could be good if executed right and if not done too oftenly. 


I don't beg anyone. I just reply to players who question my innocence. But a wise decision it would be, to believe me, for the simple reasons I cannot list at the moment.


"This for me and from my experience and research is an act of panicking". Sorry, but didn't you play like only two games? 


But I'm not doing the same plan. No, when I'm the enemy of the Town I am trying to convince Town that I actually really am town in a long-term, just what I did in last two games. 


Come on, just because I was Mafia in your first game when you was blinded that I am Town doesn't mean I am Mafia again. As I have mentioned before, you like the idea of me being an enemy. 

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"I don't beg anyone. I just reply to players who question my innocence. But a wise decision it would be, to believe me, for the simple reasons I cannot list at the moment."

You do realize how dumb this sounds right? 


Yes, while I have played only 2 games, I have read quit a lot of material and have come accross the more know tactics and mistakes players use/make. 


Don't get mad at my thinking. I'm judging by what I see...Till I see Crimson's standpoint this will not change tbh. 

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Pepchoninga wrote:
"I don't beg anyone. I just reply to players who question my innocence. But a wise decision it would be, to believe me, for the simple reasons I cannot list at the moment."

You do realize how dumb this sounds right? 
I don't. Enlighten me. 
Yes, while I have played only 2 games, I have read quit a lot of material and have come accross the more know tactics and mistakes players use/make. 
That ain't the same though. I've read a tons of material too. It's one thing in theory and other in practice. 

Don't get mad at my thinking. I'm judging by what I see...Till I see Crimson's standpoint this will not change tbh. 
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By that post he implied he is an important aid to town, therefore he cannot roleclaim what he is for now @pepchoninga.
I gave my analysis on lux for now, but ill jump off to dazo, just because i wanna open up the gamestate. 

From what i read from dazo, he is more conserved , due to his fear of messing up again like last game. However this means he is a viable role and doesn't wanna risk it again. However due to his skipday behavior , im picking up he may be the mafia due with skit. 
Skit feels like forced to prove he aint mafia for the time being. That's my read from all of this currently.

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Or I could be an aid to the town?

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I'm a little disappointed that @CrimsonOverlord hadn't responded to my question when I replied.

Pep, Skit, and drunk were the only ones who talked about me after that. Blah.

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ZeroPassion wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that @CrimsonOverlord hadn't responded to my question when I replied.

Pep, Skit, and drunk were the only ones who talked about me after that. Blah.


Pretty surprised by the lenght of your post ZP. I expected a long-ass post.

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Lux wrote:
ZeroPassion wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that @CrimsonOverlord hadn't responded to my question when I replied.

Pep, Skit, and drunk were the only ones who talked about me after that. Blah.


Pretty surprised by the lenght of your post ZP. I expected a long-ass post.


I'm getting there.

It will be filled with srsbusiness, the lols, a topkek, and satire, a la carte style.

Although don't expect long ass posts, quality over quantity with that respect.

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ZeroPassion wrote:
Lux wrote:
ZeroPassion wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that @CrimsonOverlord hadn't responded to my question when I replied.

Pep, Skit, and drunk were the only ones who talked about me after that. Blah.


Pretty surprised by the lenght of your post ZP. I expected a long-ass post.


I'm getting there.

It will be filled with srsbusiness, the lols, a topkek, and satire, a la carte style.

Although don't expect long ass posts, quality over quantity with that respect.

Just thought that you'd have a lot to tell. But yeah, I know what's coming from you. 

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@zeropassion believe me, ur the one i wanna vs the most atm, but i dont have any leads i can work on

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Skitoritto wrote:
Rule of Arguments:
Everyone answering to every argument for and agaisnt him is not a town role.

I am suspecting Pepchoninga @ZeroPassion , they are very deffensive almost too deffensive.

Off Topic: Could you guys not use coloured fonts? I usually ignore them on forums as people who use them are just pure spammers, but since we are playing Mafia I beg you to make your posts more organised, for better reading; thanks!


Explain how we are defensive. There's a difference between defending actions and calling out anti-town behavior.

Drunkion wrote:
Dazo wrote:
Yeah, I am definitely getting town vibes from Lux. Matter of fact, I think I may have an idea on what his role is, but I'm not too sure, so I'ma keep on watching.


Calm yourself here dazo, last time you had "town vibes" you ended up sending your role to the mafia <3, so i think we cant really trust your "instincts"


What's up with all this claims, like do whatever you want but i aint believing neither of all the claims so citizien day 1 is pointless, only making me suspicious, or that you are stoopid

@ZeroPassion I agree debi claim is retarded, but you gotta understand he made this before, BUUUUUUUUT he is right in one thing either debi isnt learning from his past mistakes or he is trying to abuse them.

Anyway im not taking the risk in lynching him today, becouse, well i already explained why i dont like day 1 lynch.


HoS

You discredit Dazo based on the previous game, which is not helpful for them to improve and that their voice will still be important if they are still alive in the game, regardless of faction.

There's a difference between claiming Citizen, and the adamance of doing it every time.

@Debi I don't care if you've claimed Citizen in previous games outright immediately, but it is not for the best interest of town as a whole. You claim it without pressure, which is a red flag because a role should be claiming when it is beneficial to town. A citizen claim will have some people believe you, and some will be going after you if they are indeed Citizens. If you are lying about Citizen as town and are a different role, especially in the late game when people will be paranoid about it, you will be lynched and if you are town and lied for that reason, then people will be pissed. I believe it's partially based off inexperience, but your actions need to be for a long term betterment of town.

Skitoritto wrote:
Everyone bluffs, this is Mafia Pepchoninga , I think Lux could be that fella that just wants to die in order to win. I would appeal to sherif to check him if possible, also let's skip the day it lasts too long.

/SKIP


/Unvote Debi
/Vote Skit

There is no Jester as a potential role. Not liking how you ask for a Sheriff to check Lux either at this stage, because instead of skipping, you could go for his lynch!

Skitoritto wrote:
Dude, day one is just random talk. I have played in groups who value the first day, they allmost allways let the Mafia win because people were accused for nothing. It is silly to charge someone of something you yourself aren't even sure of. It is not like we can read each other's behaivour using text. So this my friends, is useless just skip the day and let's sleep!


How big were those groups, and how are we able to play this game online using text, then?

CrimsonOverlord wrote:
@zeropassion believe me, ur the one i wanna vs the most atm, but i dont have any leads i can work on


Lazy af.

this is only cause u don't wanna call me daddy

be real bby girl

be real

; ))))

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/unvote Debi
/Vote Skit

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I don't believe Lux or Pep should be the lynch for today, and neither should Dazo, although Dazo is solely based off a dumbtell in the way they approached role speculation, albeit awkward.

I'm not putting Debi in the dumbtell pile. Yet.

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Well, till Skitters come, Lux is still my main suspect. We need everybody right now, if we are to make a decision.

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Showing some bandwaggoning attidute Pep

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Off-topic:To be honest...coming back after a looooooong day at uni but luckily I am done with the exam(that wasn't even planned before this thing started) and even though I really could've done better I can finally have my mind together and read posts through..

>k.< Let's get into business!


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Fos @Debi: Claiming citizen doesn't even count as a defense for you anymore!I'mma FoS you just for the very same reasoning I mentioned above,you're mafia and you have used last games to lead to a game that CAN be this game...


FoS @Dazo It's not more than an FoS and it's only cause of your defensive stance...though I can really understand if you're just doing that since you're worried that same thing can happen to you from last game...but don't worry it wont...


FoS DA Mini Mafia #4 (Town+Benign win!) - Page 5 3893965936 @Lux Feel free to use what I said in your defense as your alibi cause I'm not gonna deny that it is a rather solid alibi you could have.But I kinda dislike you ignoring Dan and also not questioning me for backing you up so fast and so easily in one of the only...like...2posts I made.I'd LOVE us on same side but this questioning's necessary to be safe sooo....yeaaaaaaaah you get it.


FoS @ZeroPassion ANY of the named targets above is a safe pressure target AND a possible evil role,yet you decide to ignore them(and admit to do so) and went for Skit cause he asked for a dayskip even though you KNOW he's an old member of here and we kinda had an unwritten rule of skipping 1st day back then soo...uhh...
Take that! :




I'd go for a lynch(most likely a mentioned member at this post) but I wanna re-read everything before doing so...so pleasr give me half an hour or something to catch-up fully

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