Your thoughts on Netdecking?

Surprised this topic hasn't been brought up here.

For the uninitiated; Netdecking is the practice of copying a decklist card for card and playing that list.

How do you feel about netdecking and why?

It's extremely common these days, it's down to the coming generation of players which are lazy. Watch any YouTube video and players are like '' play 3 of this because it's good, play 3of this cuz it broken, play 3 of this cuz I didn't like 2....''

IMO it's a good starting point when you want to play a deck, but don't know what all cards you need. After some testing, you should know which cards work fine for you, which not. But you should always  adapt the deck to your own playstyle. I hate it when (e.g. in a tournament) 30 decks look exactly the same.

I don't judge netdecking because your decklist doesn't matter if you know how to use it. If the list is proven to work, and you know how to use it, I don't see the problem.

psychoturtle wrote:

I don't judge netdecking because your decklist doesn't matter if you know how to use it. If the list is proven to work, and you know how to use it, I don't see the problem.

This is the irony of netdecking. More experienced and skilled players generally don't netdeck because they know how to make their own decks and use them well. Less experienced players don't, and often turn to netdecking decks they cannot use to their full effectiveness, and so never actually learn the processes involved in making and understanding a deck.

jjh927 wrote:

psychoturtle wrote:

I don't judge netdecking because your decklist doesn't matter if you know how to use it. If the list is proven to work, and you know how to use it, I don't see the problem.

This is the irony of netdecking. More experienced and skilled players generally don't netdeck because they know how to make their own decks and use them well. Less experienced players don't, and often turn to netdecking decks they cannot use to their full effectiveness, and so never actually learn the processes involved in making and understanding a deck.

Not necessarily. Maybe they need to find some cards they forgot about, or they don't even know exists, that could work better than what they currently use. Skill doesn't mean only deckbuilding, but knowing to use the cards given to you properly which is the most important part, so why not help yourself build your deck faster and easier ?

I've netdecked my entire life The only two decks I made were evil heroes and Blackwings

I dont judge net deckers

I judge net deckers that try to play it off as their own

I netdeck beecause when I build my own deck I get my shit pushed in. xD

Making a deck is hard for me sometimes, and I like testing other people's builds and editing it myself.

I can't netdeck, I always temper with them

I try netdecking, but it doesn't work for me since I don't spend the time getting to know the deck. I also have a hard time building a deck because I don't build with combos in mind when I first start playing a deck. So basically, I rely on the same old decks most of the time until I can finally build a deck that suits my style. I got off topic but what I'm trying to say is that netdeckers are either players who have a hard time building a deck, or for those who don't have a particular style. Also, I know a few netdeckers who netdeck because they don't have the time to build and fine tune a deck themselves.

jjh927 wrote:

psychoturtle wrote:

I don't judge netdecking because your decklist doesn't matter if you know how to use it. If the list is proven to work, and you know how to use it, I don't see the problem.

This is the irony of netdecking. More experienced and skilled players generally don't netdeck because they know how to make their own decks and use them well. Less experienced players don't, and often turn to netdecking decks they cannot use to their full effectiveness, and so never actually learn the processes involved in making and understanding a deck.

Bitch please, every format before whom I have took a break I netdeck the best decks and learn how to use them so I could get to know the format. Anyone, even an idiot can learn how to use an YGO deck.

It's a bit like getting work experience, is it not?

But even so, I often find that the community has taken netdecking too far. They simply aren't brave enough to make their own choices anymore.

"I wonder if Fire Fist are any good? Instead of trying them out for myself, I'll wait for some guy to top with them in a tournament and then netdeck them instead."

When I see videos of people showing their decklists, I can tell whether or not they netdecked by how they talk about their cards. "I run 3 of him because... he's just good. And 3 of him because he's good as well." There was a time where Dragon Ruler players had gotten beaten down by backrow heavy decks. And not one of them thought to even play Wingbeat of a Giant Dragon in their deck.

It's terrible. And here I thought Konami were spoonfeeding people by making these A-B-C archetypes, but obviously they aren't doing a good enough job when I'm seeing people run 3x Upstart in a 40+ card deck.

Simply put, netdecking is a part of the game. But when people use it as a shortcut to avoid having to do research on the very deck they plan to play, that's where netdecking becomes a problem.

If you want to netdeck, netdeck konami decklist, netdeck the OFICIAL SOURCE!.


I did for the new fluffals, but, i never copy decks of other players, because, i have my OWN mind, so i like use some cards that maybe he dont.

Netdecking is the equivalent of applying methods of solving math problems that brilliant minds came up with in the history of mankind. I don't see anybody complaining about that, though.

psychoturtle wrote:

Netdecking is the equivalent of applying methods of solving math problems that brilliant minds came up with in the history of mankind. I don't see anybody complaining about that, though.

Nonsense

I'm saying ''originality'' is a gift gained only by a select group in this world and the others are merely followers that have the privilege to benefit from it. If that's nonsense then every invention, every idea, every thought that ever existed is pointless.

I didn't read the above posts so someone might have already said something similar to what I'm about to say.

From my perspective, I don't see netdecking as either a good or a bad thing, it's somewhere in the middle. For instance, when a new archtype hits the town everyone, and I mean EVERYONE is going to at least try to build his own version of that deck before he starts looking at what the other players have created and then he takes the best out the two builds. Netdecking is simply a matter of learning. When you netdeck someone you basically understand why this version of the deck uses x amount of cards and x amount of cards, you don't really understand it fully but after a few games you learn more about that build, and later on that player makes his own changes to the deck. I believe the term 'netdecking' originated when players noticed that other players are basically doing the same thing as everyone else when it comes to running a deck. We see that much often in the meta where most decks are basically the same thing with 2 to 5 cards difference only.

psychoturtle wrote:

Netdecking is the equivalent of applying methods of solving math problems that brilliant minds came up with in the history of mankind. I don't see anybody complaining about that, though.

You sound retarded.

And I see people complaining about math every day.

@Anzo: That's being a lazy shithead with no skill.

When I build a deck I'm not used too I don't look at others builds I build it with all the cards that seem good at max ratios until I get used to it and learn what should be at what amount and learn all the best plays and mindsets with the deck myself through experience playing it. That's why, unless luck just isn't on my side, I can beat anybody before the duel even begins because I know their deck from the inside out through sheer testing with the theme myself and mastery of my own deck.

Net Deckers are the scum of the scum of the game. They aren't just scum they are scum of scum with no skill but will sit and act like big shots when they can't do shit for themselves.

Let me lay out why netdecking is not bad for you.

For that, first we have to look at the construct of "meta" -- "meta" is not a set of decks, it's a superset of the game, where decks that consistently win compete against each other. Where a certain deck excels at one specific aspect, it fails at another one, and it's up to the player to cover that weakness through either a) deck building or b) skill. Likewise, there is no "luck", just a set of probabilities in a deck -- netdecking reproduces not the skill of a player, it reproduces probabilities. It eradicates the process of finding strengths and weaknesses of a deck, and guarantees at least moderate success against other decks.

Any game will develop a meta game inherently, no matter what game, a "way the game is best played" or "how you can be good at it most of the time", and Yu-Gi-Oh! is no exception to this. Even if all new cards like Fusions, Synchros, Xyzs and Pendulums were removed from the game, a meta with the strongest and most consistent Effect Monsters would still form.

As such, the instances of this meta game can be plenty, be it Elemental Rulers, be it Shaddoll, be it Nekroz, be it Burning Abyss, my argument is still valid: netdecking does not reproduce skill.
Rather than letting the attitude of the players agitate you, improve from a loss and reform your deck if you're keen about building your own deck.

I necessitate you read this before you toss out arguments against me. My opinion on the matter stands.

Irate that doesn't even make sense. If you're netdecking meta because you're too bad at the game to build it yourself then skill is something you severely lack. With the thousands of cards in this game, you mean to tell me it's okay to just netdeck someone elses deck instead of building it your damned lazy self with all the variety you have open to you?

Your argument sounds like you're calling using meta decking. Last format I used Qliphorts but I don't believe you will ever find another Qliphort deck that looks like mine. And no I did not just throw shit in it and call it unique I built it my way and my way is ass kick.

Cicada Supremacy wrote:

Irate that doesn't even make sense. If you're netdecking meta because you're too bad at the game to build it yourself then skill is something you severely lack. With the thousands of cards in this game, you mean to tell me it's okay to just netdeck someone elses deck instead of building it your damned lazy self with all the variety you have open to you?

Your argument sounds like you're calling using meta decking. Last format I used Qliphorts but I don't believe you will ever find another Qliphort deck that looks like mine. And no I did not just throw shit in it and call it unique I built it my way and my way is ass kick.

You read it right, netdecking is perfectly okay in my eyes. It serves as a way to facilitate your lack of being able to draw numerical conclusions (which is what deck building is). I can guarantee you that deck building requires different abilities than being good at this game.

If you have no skill, no deck will elevate your skill unless you genuinely get involved with the deck. And netdecking does not reproduce skill, it requires probability. That's two completely different traits.

Alikaey wrote:

I'm seeing people run 3x Upstart in a 40+ card deck.

People like that should be castrated so they can't breed.

Irate wrote:

Cicada Supremacy wrote:

Irate that doesn't even make sense. If you're netdecking meta because you're too bad at the game to build it yourself then skill is something you severely lack. With the thousands of cards in this game, you mean to tell me it's okay to just netdeck someone elses deck instead of building it your damned lazy self with all the variety you have open to you?

Your argument sounds like you're calling using meta decking. Last format I used Qliphorts but I don't believe you will ever find another Qliphort deck that looks like mine. And no I did not just throw shit in it and call it unique I built it my way and my way is ass kick.

You read it right, netdecking is perfectly okay in my eyes. It serves as a way to facilitate your lack of being able to draw numerical conclusions (which is what deck building is). I can guarantee you that deck building requires different abilities than being good at this game.

If you have no skill, no deck will elevate your skill unless you genuinely get involved with the deck. And netdecking does not reproduce skill, it requires probability. That's two completely different traits.

Being good at deck building is part of being good at the game.

Net decking will happen regardless.

Something the OCG has started doing tho is filtering deck lists. Like Psi - blocker was filterd out of all the OCG Necloth decks.

Cicada Supremacy wrote:

Irate wrote:

Cicada Supremacy wrote:

Irate that doesn't even make sense. If you're netdecking meta because you're too bad at the game to build it yourself then skill is something you severely lack. With the thousands of cards in this game, you mean to tell me it's okay to just netdeck someone elses deck instead of building it your damned lazy self with all the variety you have open to you?

Your argument sounds like you're calling using meta decking. Last format I used Qliphorts but I don't believe you will ever find another Qliphort deck that looks like mine. And no I did not just throw shit in it and call it unique I built it my way and my way is ass kick.

You read it right, netdecking is perfectly okay in my eyes. It serves as a way to facilitate your lack of being able to draw numerical conclusions (which is what deck building is). I can guarantee you that deck building requires different abilities than being good at this game.

If you have no skill, no deck will elevate your skill unless you genuinely get involved with the deck. And netdecking does not reproduce skill, it requires probability. That's two completely different traits.

Being good at deck building is part of being good at the game.

You gain skill by playing and observing/playing out in-game situations. I got better at this game by seeing other decklists, and making similar builds with my own prefs and if you think that I'm bad because of that let me point out that you failed to win the SK title vs a build that wasn't mine. :*

EDIT: Netdecking is also like research. Since when is education and research a bad thing? Expanding horizons with all of the media accessibility in the world now... that should be negative? Best be ignorant and dig gold with bare hands?

Gnar wrote:

Alikaey wrote:

I'm seeing people run 3x Upstart in a 40+ card deck.

People like that should be castrated so they can't breed.

I'm using 3 Pot of Greed in a 43 card deck. Do I suck?

Pot of greed is irrelevant to the Upstart theory.

Gnar wrote:

Pot of greed is irrelevant to the Upstart theory.

Dude I was just being wierd

I run upstart in most things, but I only go over 40 when playing chaos. also, Turtle, you described my method of netdecking, look at builds, mod it to my style, ready to go.