What is more auto drive?

First topic message reminder :

Me and Chovy have an argument over which deck is more autodrive, I say Wind - Ups whereas he thinks Elemental Heroes. So we decided to leave it up to the public.

Lawl L

Heroes are, by far, more auto-drive than Wind-Ups.
Knowing how to play around backrows using Rabbits, re-recycling Rat's and Mag's effects, play passive or go for the OTK.. it's not as easy as most people show it is.

L.Lawliet wrote:

1. Summon Alius
2. Summon Stratos, search Alius or Bubbleman
3. Set all cards special summon Bubbleman
4. Play Spark on alius when needed, from hand or set
5. Play Hero Blast return Alius to hand
6. Play Miracle from hand or set
7. Play monster reborn/call of the haunted on Stratos to search bubble for "fast" plays or search Alius
8. XYZ 2 monster into Exalibur - detach 2, add boost to 4000
9. XYZ 2 monsters into Blade Armor Ninja - detach Stratos, if Alius is in grave, if not detach what you feel like ~doesn't matter
10. Combo with step 8 or 9 with Miracle after you detach

Okay, How many of these COMBOS, not loop, can be accomplished with Prohibition on Alius?

2. Summon Stratos--->Bubble
3. Set all, Special Bubble
6. Miracle from hand/set
7. Stratos-->Bubble again with MR
8. Excalibur-->4000 ATK
9. Blade Armor Ninja--->2200 double attacker
10. Miracle with 8./9.

J/S

Also, I've searched up plenty of other heroes with Stratos.
Captain Gold is nice when I don't want to waste Stratos' +1, and/or give my reg heroes +1000 ATK if they attack.

Or, I can MR into Stratos and normal into Clayman for Mask Change into Dian for hopefully making Xyz in MP2 into Maestroke/Utopia, but that's if you're running M-Heroes in the deck.
Or Bubbleman for Acid. Whichever you prefer.

Meanwhile, WU's making a majority of the exact same circling plays (*cough* *cough* loop *cough*) with Factory/Magician/Shark spamming like all hell into any Rank 3/4/5 the WU player chooses.

L.Lawliet wrote:

Maybe the lack of good opponents is the problem here, it doesn't really look like people here know what they are talking about. If you read articles related to this, you'll see that it's an opinion that's well known - Wind-up, the best deck of the format, is in fact the hardest to pilot to it's fullest, at this moment of the format. After all, there is a reason why people are misplaying with it so badly... and it's not only cause they are stupid, it's cause it's not as easy as other decks out there.

I don't play WUs because I don't feel like memorizing the long circle of plays.
Just not in me to do it.

And anyone can fail with any deck at any time.
We're only human people.

L.Lawliet wrote:

@Danica look love, it's clear to me that you know nothing about Wind-ups. I'm not saying that you're super bad at this game or anything like that, I'm stating that you are bad with the deck (WU), you can be good with any other deck, there is no way for me to know that... at least from what I'm seeing, it looks like you haven't played with it in the new format to understand how many options you always have. Maybe the lack of good opponents is the problem here, it doesn't really look like people here know what they are talking about. If you read articles related to this, you'll see that it's an opinion that's well known - Wind-up, the best deck of the format, is in fact the hardest to pilot to it's fullest, at this moment of the format. After all, there is a reason why people are misplaying with it so badly... and it's not only cause they are stupid, it's cause it's not as easy as other decks out there. All the big talk you said about the 2 decks is cute, mhm mhm... but it's not correct. The people that voted Wind-up for the bigger "auto drive" deck, all of them in fact can't play with it, and lose against it on the daily basic. That's the truth really...

That was so ignorant it was funny.

Looking at his argument, I can tell this.

L.Lawiet knows nothing and I mean NOTHING about the Elemental HERO archetype.

@L.Lawiet. If you think those ten things are the only plays heroes can make, then you're incredibly mistaken. I doubt you've faced nothing more than child's play with Elemental HERO decks.

Anyhow, Wind-Ups go through the same play over and over again. As the name implies, they're just wind up toys. You wind them up, and they do the same action over and over and over again. From what I've faced, the deck is a machine, a broken record that repeats the same actions over and over with little change

Elemental HERO decks are a lot different. They add variety and style to each deck out there. Heroes are of all shapes, sizes, and morale codes. Elemental HERO decks are no different. If you can't add your own hero pizazz to the deck, you can't call yourself a player of Elemental HEROes

And yes it's true, there is one build of Elemental HERO decks that everyone copies, but just remaining with that build does what for a deck? It's as predictable as the former Wind-Up loop, except it's easier to counter. I'm sure those who play HERO decks would agree that after a while, adding your own style to the deck, makes it a lot more fun, especially with scaring the crap out of the opponent when you make an unexpected play, with some of the common cards.

Also, I've searched up plenty of other heroes with Stratos.

Like I said, we're done talking. You mean nothing to me now.
Btw, you can't do any of the combos you said since you'll probably end-up having an Alius in hand, js. The only combo you might be able to do is with a Photon Thrasher, given that you main 1.

That was so ignorant it was funny.

I did try to expose the truth in a humoristic way, thank you for noticing. (sun)

L.Lawiet knows nothing and I mean NOTHING about the Elemental HERO archetype.

Go play your Jaden decks somewhere else mate, I'm talking about the only G-Hero builds that matters to the game - Bubble Beat, Hero/Light Beat; if you people are talking about other decks, other builds... then I have no intention of continuing the conversation.

This thread is offending the game as a whole. I suggest you people go to pojo and post the same inaccurate and poinless comments there. Not one of you besides L made any sense so far. I respect GC for trying to defend her view point without balantly bashing other members. I know you're going to hate on me saying I side with L only because I play wind-ups and to be honest I don't really care. The fact that you people know absolutely nothing about the said deck is clear as day and all experienced players on this academy can easily notice that. I want you to know I'm not being ignorant or anything, not trying to hate on you because of your false opinions, just stating the truth. In fact if you had any idea what you were talking about or have tested the deck at all you would know players approach every mathup differently and in almost every duel you are forced to make different decisions even though you have the same hand as in the previous game you had. Simply comparing heroes and wind-ups is an offense to the latter. Instead of trying to argue with me any further I suggest you go and build the deck, play with it for a couple of days, test different cards and then come to me with a reasonable argument as to why it's pilot. Just because you like one deck doesn't mean you should defend it at all cost. And since I know very few of you are actually going to do what I just said I guess I can leave this thread follow the awful direction it took from the start.

Im gonna have to agree with Sasori and L on this one. I've played WU & Heros for a good amount of time. 1st to even begin with this WU takes a lot more knowledge and skill to build than Heros. If you ever build a WU deck from scratch (No netdecking) you'll realize that even 1 card makes a huge difference between winning and losing for WU. Not to also mention that usually WU can usually lead to bad hands, considering that its not as easy to always search the cards you want. On the contrary heros have can easily take field control, have plenty of "Easy plays" that even with prohibition have an easy way around things. Heros also have plenty of 1 card/ 1 way counter to plays that their opponent start. Don't get me wrong. Just because every "common" player makes the same moves doesn't mean its autopilot. Its mainly about how easy the deck is to run, also taking account of 3 things: How your opponent plays, your knowledge/skill, and how much effort does it take to counter a play.

LOLed
yall niggas be funny smh
how about run real decks and not some netdeck of bubble sh!t or bad wind-ups,
not insulting

L: yu mention your loop sh!t about heroes but is the same for wind-ups, both need to know when to used them, so stop your hating.

Saso dont take sh!t so personally their just cards to play a game bro.

and heros=more auto

Don't know what's got into me. Should've just said f*ck you all b*tches for being so dumb. ;D

H3R0_ELITE wrote:

LOLed
yall niggas be funny smh
how about run real decks and not some netdeck of bubble sh!t or bad wind-ups,
not insulting

L: yu mention your loop sh!t about heroes but is the same for wind-ups, both need to know when to used them, so stop your hating.

Saso dont take sh!t so personally their just cards to play a game bro.

and heros=more auto

That was soo black, I'm not even sure I can respond to it :/ Hmmm, I guess I was starting to look like an a**hole...

anyway:

What is more auto drive?
Elemental Heroes

52% [ 17 ]
Wind-Ups

48% [ 16 ]

I want to thank all the people that support us, we couldn't done it without you ;( All of this makes me feel so proud of you guys ^^ Well... I guess that's all for this thread, I thought that the battle would continue a little longer tho :s Good job to both sides, better luck next time G-Heroes.

Edit:Also, I just realized that I haven't said that I'm sorry... so I'd like to say that I'm sorry to all the people I insulted - my intention was to make humor, not insults, so if I offended anyone, I'm sorry.

L.Lawliet wrote:

What is more auto drive?
Elemental Heroes

52% [ 17 ]
Wind-Ups

48% [ 16 ]

I want to thank all the people that support us, we couldn't done it without you

You're not winning a Grammy.

.-. well

Danica, the Great wrote:

L.Lawliet wrote:

What is more auto drive?
Elemental Heroes

52% [ 17 ]
Wind-Ups

48% [ 16 ]

I want to thank all the people that support us, we couldn't done it without you

You're not winning a Grammy.

he just won a nobel peace prize .-.

Nuran wrote:

Danica, the Great wrote:

L.Lawliet wrote:

What is more auto drive?
Elemental Heroes

52% [ 17 ]
Wind-Ups

48% [ 16 ]

I want to thank all the people that support us, we couldn't done it without you

You're not winning a Grammy.

he just won a nobel peace prize .-.

Wind-Ups - swarm deck
Heroes - control deck

I really don't get it why are you people arguing over this. Both of these decks require the same ammount of deck building and playing skills. It all depends on how they are used. I am a hero user, and I duel vs wind-ups every day. Both of these decks pilot in their own way, but I wouldn't really call it autopilot.
Example of autopilot is dino rabbit deck.

SUMMON RABBIT - SUMMON LAGGIA - SET 4 - GIGGLE ON YOUR NEXT TURN TOUR GUIDE - GO!

In heroes and wind-ups you have to atleast think before you act.

Yes, I hate dino rabbit decks xD

UchihaShisui wrote:

I really don't get it why are you people arguing over this. Both of these decks require the same ammount of deck building and playing skills.

Isn't this what I already said?

Danica, the Great wrote:

UchihaShisui wrote:

I really don't get it why are you people arguing over this. Both of these decks require the same ammount of deck building and playing skills.

Isn't this what I already said?

Yes. I said that that's wrong, right?

L.Lawliet wrote:

Danica, the Great wrote:

UchihaShisui wrote:

I really don't get it why are you people arguing over this. Both of these decks require the same ammount of deck building and playing skills.

Isn't this what I already said?

Yes. I said that that's wrong, right?

Yeah, and you saying that I'm wrong is also wrong.

Heros i think O_O

Danica, the Great wrote:

L.Lawliet wrote:

Danica, the Great wrote:

UchihaShisui wrote:

I really don't get it why are you people arguing over this. Both of these decks require the same ammount of deck building and playing skills.

Isn't this what I already said?

Yes. I said that that's wrong, right?

Yeah, and you saying that I'm wrong is also wrong.

Yes. Then I said that it's wrong that you think that I'm wrong about your reasons that the 2 decks require the same amount of playing skill. But... I mean, you can see that on page 2 and 3, no need to say the obvious now... we're just disagreeing.

#Winning.

heros definetly more auto no contest really if u have a brain you know this