The Bank of Duel Academy!

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Hello there, dear members of Duel Academy!
Today, we want to introduce yet another new feature to Duel Academy which could make Duel Points more organized and more useful than ever before - if you support it, that is for sure.

As many of you know, especially those who been around for quite some time, Duel Points have so far been solely useful in DA Shops, when ordering a Signature, Userbar or a Deck; you need to spend Duel Points in order to get either of those here. Another purpose of Duel Points is to get some special features added to your profile - such as a special mini-rank beneath your personal avatar or a name change - which can be done so by purchasing those items in their appropriate shops, especially our Main Shop.

Duel Points are an essential key feature of Duel Academy, it's our own virtual currency, we use it to get what we want, to buy what we want, and they're extremely easy to get if you are willing to do what needs to be done, such as dueling for Duel Arena, Shadow Arena, or winning a tournament.

Today, we present to you our new feature of Duel Academy: The Bank.
Yes, now Duel Academy has its own Bank. "What's the bank for?", you may ask. Simple, the bank will control the flow of Duel Points, including the prices of goods in all of DA shops - yes, even Graphic and Deck Shops. Means shop owners will no longer decide the price of their decks or signatures, the bank is simply doing that for them.

The purpose behind DA's Bank is creating some sort of an organized Duel Points flow in Duel Academy where everyone gets to buy what he or she is planning to buy from any shop with the same price. Some shop owners abuse the fact that they're good at something so they put high price for their goods which could cause some sort of unfairness toward the customer, people always wants a good stuff, however some are just too expensive. You see someone doing signature request for a total of 400 Duel Points, while the other is doing it for 200 Duel Point, that's not all too fair if both artists have a similar style, at least not from our perspective. Same goes for Deck Shops, some simply sell decks for an extremely high price which could either make his shop inactive or have unbalanced or reasonable amount of Duel Points, while many others lack it.

DA's Bank will make this more organized, it'll decide the appropriate price for everything in DA Shops from this point on. We will also follow the law of supply and demand, introducing the most simple principle in marketing: if many members request a good, the good will get more expensive over time. Means if today the deck price is 200 Duel Point, tomorrow it could be 300 Duel Point, two days later it could shift back to 150 Duel Points, decided at the Bank Administration's whim (while following - even if strongly simplified - the laws of supply and demand). We'll make sure to announce it when such a call is taken, though.

Another feature comes along DA's Bank: Members may host their own events. By events I don't mean tournaments, I mean events. There is a slight difference between Events and Tournaments. In tournaments, for example, people only duel following some List of Forbidden and Limited cards and deck restrictions while there is only one winner. However, in events, there could be a bit more, such as role-play, quests, tasks, or some story to create an atmosphere while playing for the event. Doing so will cost some Duel Points to buy the rights to host your own events, once the appropriate amount of Duel Points are paid you'll be allowed to host your event while keeping in mind the bank won't interfere with your events. Consequences are that making an active event is your job, we don't care if it died, frankly said. We will only provide the necessary administrative needs to set up permissions, nothing else.

You think that's all? Well, you're mistaken. And another thing comes along DA's Bank: joining Tournaments is no longer free of toll anymore.
What does that mean, you ask? You see, we've seen a lot of people joining tournaments then leave and decide to become inactive just because they think they can do that, well, we got bored of that after 5 years of the same treatment. From now on, joining a tournament will require you to pay a small amount of Duel Points in order to do so, also going inactive in a tournament will cause 20% of your Duel Points to be taken, and one Tournament Strike to be added to your record. Oh, yeah, what are Tournament Strikes?
Each and every member of Duel Academy will have a maximum total of 7 strikes on his DA profile, each time he goes inactive in a tournament without a VERY good reason, one strike will be added to an initial amount of 0 Strikes on his profile, once you reach 7 Tournament Strikes you'll be prohibited from joining Tournaments in Duel Academy for an indefinite amount of time.

I approve of this bank.

anzo you know me....

and you know that i will find a way to cheat and abuse this system

You won't be able to.

::Monkey64::

ALuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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Also Alu can you update your prices according to the DA Bank plz http://www.duelacademy.net/f157-the-bank
then we will update dp.

150DP for 2 hours of work on each signature? Close the shop. I've never heard anything more insulting than that.

This is my only problem with this idea.
If you're forcing the lowering of prices from someone who has their prices set higher, they may feel like their effort isn't worth the meager 150 DP set by the bank.

And it's not like we have a plethora of open shops that do high-quality work.

Eheroduelist wrote:

ALuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

SpadeItem: Signature
Render: https://i.imgur.com/Y0Lm0Iy.png?1?8564
Size: doesnt really matter
Text: Spade
Also Alu can you update your prices according to the DA Bank plz http://www.duelacademy.net/f157-the-bank
then we will update dp.

150DP for 2 hours of work on each signature? Close the shop. I've never heard anything more insulting than that.

This is my only problem with this idea.
If you're forcing the lowering of prices from someone who has their prices set higher, they may feel like their effort isn't worth the meager 150 DP set by the bank.

And it's not like we have a plethora of open shops that do high-quality work.

Oh dear god, signatures takes 2 hours?

Anzo wrote:

Oh dear god, signatures takes 2 hours?

well they're high quality ones.
I don't know, I don't do (good) GFX.

But that's besides the point. The point is, I think there should be a degree (although I agree nothing outrageously high) of difference in price of quality of GFX if the person doing the grub work believes in the value of said work.
If the work isn't worth the value that's one thing, but would you do something if the value isn't worth the work?

Or you could just increase the general price. But I don't see much a value to that either, since some GFX isn't worth that large an increase in price.

I can always do terribad sigs if people are feeling poor and/or impatient

There is no such things as good quality signature or bad quality signature as the people are those who decided what's is good and what's bad. For instance what you see as a good quality signature that is worthy of gold someone else might be seeing it as a peace of crap. Prices are united and not high for that same reason.

Anzo wrote:

There is no such things as good quality signature or bad quality signature as the people are those who decided what's is good and what's bad. For instance what you see as a good quality signature that is worthy of gold someone else might be seeing it as a peace of crap. Prices are united and not high for that same reason.

Doesn't change the fact that setting a forced price too low (in the opinion of the person doing the work) will deter them from doing the work.

You're looking to be a billionaire in one week?

Anzo wrote:

You're looking to be a billionaire in one week?

Not sure if serious question or redundant sarcasm.

I don't own a shop nor plan to.
lmao

Think about it from this perspective: Apple corporation made over 45 million dollar on their first month by selling a product which costs 1300$ (at the beginning - pre-ordered costed nearly 1500$), the question here: Did they make 45 million dollar by selling one IPhone? No, it's the amount of product they had to sell in order to get that amount of profits. You don't charge someone a signature for like 300 or 400 DPs, you charge two however for 150 for example - more or less - therefor it depends on how much you're good at it and how much people like what you do, which could lead to more profits.

Anyway, I was aiming to clarifying the notion here, i have no intention of interfering with the current DPs stuff.

Anzo wrote:

Think about it from this perspective: Apple corporation made over 45 million dollar on their first month by selling a product which costs 1300$ (at the beginning - pre-ordered costed nearly 1500$), the question here: Did they make 45 million dollar by selling one IPhone? No, it's the amount of product they had to sell in order to get that amount of profits. You don't charge someone a signature for like 300 or 400 DPs, you charge two however for 150 for example - more or less - therefor it depends on how much you're good at it and how much people like what you do, which could lead to more profits.

Anyway, I was aiming to clarifying the notion here, i have no intention of interfering with the current DPs stuff.

I see your point, but Apple doesn't operate on anything even relatively similar product as GFX, nor for the same currency. Comparing the two, despite the same goal to make a profit, is like comparing apples to oranges; marketing strategies and sales prices being two large and differing factors.
In any case, you sell a product based on the effort you put into it. If you take two hours meticulously procuring a signature for a customer, versus someone who could do in half, or even one-fourth, the time, wouldn't you set your price on that basis? Skill takes time to demonstrate, granted quality isn't assured by effort but instead by skill, if your skill is higher than that of another shouldn't your price reflect that (in the perspective of the person doing the work)?
You wouldn't sell a brand new iPhone 5 at the same price as a Alcatel 510A GoPhone willingly. If the government told you that if you wanted to sell your product (iPhone 5, constantly advancing technology, etc.) you had to sell it at that base price of $15, wouldn't you move your business to another market?

You are correct about one thing though, each product appeals to a certain audience- my grandparents just bought a phone similar to the phone in my example. They can't understand the newer phones, so they like the simplest phones affordable. But, the price isn't set based on the audience- it is set based on the effort made to provide the product(/service), and what will create a profit based on the costs.
Albeit there are no direct financial costs to GFXing, (given you don't purchase your GFXing tools) there is still the cost of time. You can't get it back, only be reimbursed for said time. $7.25 is (apparently) the current minimum wage.

j/s.


This took two hours of meticulous GFXing to make, based on what I was told.


This took me less than 5 minutes meticulously working with Microsoft Paint.

Nevertheless, both sides well past the point of conversing over, I'm not here to draw blood from stone- I simply wanted to raise my concerns.
Since you do not share my concerns, I suppose I'll let the argument die.

Let me get into this, short tho'.

On my shop, the requests were more of a win for me. I was getting the respective DP per time and work invested and also, on top of that, I was getting more experienced with different styles and high quality increasement.

So, I was getting paid, to do better and better GFX works, that's how you can sum that up. I'd say it's the consumer's risk to apply a request knowing in the end that'll be all worth it.

Me personally, I can't go back to do mediocre pieces to balance the amount of DP I'm getting, it just doesn't feel right and satisfying for both sides.

In the end it's everyone's opinion and decision. I've taken mine and so will others.

'Mericaaaaa

Eheroduelist wrote:

Anzo wrote:

Think about it from this perspective: Apple corporation made over 45 million dollar on their first month by selling a product which costs 1300$ (at the beginning - pre-ordered costed nearly 1500$), the question here: Did they make 45 million dollar by selling one IPhone? No, it's the amount of product they had to sell in order to get that amount of profits. You don't charge someone a signature for like 300 or 400 DPs, you charge two however for 150 for example - more or less - therefor it depends on how much you're good at it and how much people like what you do, which could lead to more profits.

Anyway, I was aiming to clarifying the notion here, i have no intention of interfering with the current DPs stuff.

I see your point, but Apple doesn't operate on anything even relatively similar product as GFX, nor for the same currency. Comparing the two, despite the same goal to make a profit, is like comparing apples to oranges; marketing strategies and sales prices being two large and differing factors.
In any case, you sell a product based on the effort you put into it. If you take two hours meticulously procuring a signature for a customer, versus someone who could do in half, or even one-fourth, the time, wouldn't you set your price on that basis? Skill takes time to demonstrate, granted quality isn't assured by effort but instead by skill, if your skill is higher than that of another shouldn't your price reflect that (in the perspective of the person doing the work)?
You wouldn't sell a brand new iPhone 5 at the same price as a Alcatel 510A GoPhone willingly. If the government told you that if you wanted to sell your product (iPhone 5, constantly advancing technology, etc.) you had to sell it at that base price of $15, wouldn't you move your business to another market?

You are correct about one thing though, each product appeals to a certain audience- my grandparents just bought a phone similar to the phone in my example. They can't understand the newer phones, so they like the simplest phones affordable. But, the price isn't set based on the audience- it is set based on the effort made to provide the product(/service), and what will create a profit based on the costs.
Albeit there are no direct financial costs to GFXing, (given you don't purchase your GFXing tools) there is still the cost of time. You can't get it back, only be reimbursed for said time. $7.25 is (apparently) the current minimum wage.

j/s.


This took two hours of meticulous GFXing to make, based on what I was told.


This took me less than 5 minutes meticulously working with Microsoft Paint.

Nevertheless, both sides well past the point of conversing over, I'm not here to draw blood from stone- I simply wanted to raise my concerns.
Since you do not share my concerns, I suppose I'll let the argument die.

As I said in my first post, a signature should never takes more than 45 minute to finish, unless you have HUGE lack of resources or if you're inexperienced with different styles. I won't go any further in this anyways, suit yourself.