Harry Potter Thread

Harry Potter ThreadWed Aug 10, 2016 10:12 am

Hello to the Wizarding thread of Harry Potter where people that actualy read and watch good movies apart from playing children's card games and catch pokemons have a nice good talk. For those God blessed individuals, welcome ^^ Here we will discuss everything related to my love, The Wizard that defeated the dark lord, the boy who lived the man the legenda Harwi Pottah.

Welp as a start of the conversation let's start a litlle debate on our favorite movies from the series from made into a top eight and do the same with the books ^^

Books:
1. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
2. Harry Potter and Prisoner of Azkaban
3. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
4. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
5. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
6. Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
7. Harry potter and the Chamber of Secrets

Movies:
1. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
2. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2
3. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
4. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
5. Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone
6. Harry Potter and Prisoner of Azkaban
7. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
8. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1

Let the discussion...Begin!

Re: Harry Potter ThreadWed Aug 10, 2016 10:16 am

HOW DARE YOU ARE TO PUT DEATHLY HALLOWS PART 1 AT THE BOTTOM?

That movie is brilliant.

P.S. Harmonie forever.

Re: Harry Potter ThreadWed Aug 10, 2016 1:46 pm

Cmon Luka it's your time to type your lists ^^ your know you want to ;P

Well the movie was good like all others but it was really a set-up movie to the second on. Basically that's the problems sometimes with those 2 part movies. Usually the concept of a story as a whole wether it's a movie or a book is - introduction to the story, then development of the plot then set-up for the big conclusion and the final showdown. It's not entirely like that always but it's the basic idea. Since the Harry Potter is one big story it stretches those concept parts over the books/movies. Tho every book/movies has a sub-plot that ultimately connects to the main plot so it balnaces out and keeps the excitement. That's the beauty of a complex story like Harry Potter. But the seventh book is basically the big set-up to the final showdown of the story. Two things that for me are connected more tightly then the other 2. You can't have the one and not get the other immediately after. In the book the set-up takes most of the book since they try and colect the mising pieces to the way they can defeat Voldemort. With each chapter the story becomes more intense and you can feel that the final battle is near witch, especially if you are reading a well riten story (or an a amazingly riten one in our case), doesn't let you close the book. And when you finaly finish the set-up you know you just need to see how it all ends since it has builded so much to this moment. The book let's you do that. But the movies does not necessarily. Yeah today you can watch Deathly Hallows part 1 and immediately after watch part 2 witch is great, but back when the first one came out you didn't really get that chance. Yeah it kept the fans wanting more and it kept them excited but it took from the enjoyment at least for me. After all those crazy things they had to get trough to destroy all the horcruxses and the death of Dobby and the emotional level that this movie had reached and the story as a whole had reached, you just see the edn credits and somehow it doesn't feel right. You feel those very connected parts of the story (the big set-up and the final showdown) get ripped one from another creating a whole in the story that is really felt if you were watching the movie a year later like when it came out for example. I know this might seem like a very little problem today or contribute to the overall success to the movie series but it hurts Deathly Hallows as a solo movie. If you deside to watch just that movie, without immediately watching Part 2 (witch nobody really does tbh) you can fell what I'm talking about. And what makes it worse for me is that they actually tryed to remove this problem by trying to make Deathly Hallows part 1 seems like a movie that can stand on it's one, like it's with all the other Harry Potter movies really, and that messes with the concept of the film even more so it feels a little stale at times. For that reason alone I'm putting it as my lesst favorite.

P.S: Dcacoine FTW

Re: Harry Potter ThreadWed Aug 10, 2016 3:55 pm

witch one of you is the lord of potter (hehe 'witch' did you what i did there)

Re: Harry Potter ThreadWed Aug 10, 2016 5:00 pm

Obviously me...I'm Harry Potter himself...i know everything...and I'm handsome...

Re: Harry Potter ThreadWed Aug 10, 2016 6:10 pm

I can't make lists since one book/movie is better than the other and vice-versa. Love them all. But DHP1 will always be kind of special to me. It's the first HP movie I ever watched at the end.

The concept of the movie is beautiful. First off, it's so cool because it's not at Hogwarts so we get to see more of the magical world. The feelings are stronger in this movie than any other. First we get Trio haunting the Horcruxes, then Ron leaved. A MASSIVE bonus to the DHP1 was the dance scene between Harry and Hermione. Not because I ship them, but because it's such a beautiful scene that was not in the books but definitely needed to be in the movies (glad that David Yates and J.K. noticed that...) It's one of the 5 best scenes in the series, without a doubt. The acting between Emma, Dan and Rupert was just brilliant in that one. They all portrayed their characters so well.

DHP1 <3

And Harry doesn't know everything (Hermione is much closer to that title), and he ain't so handsome either Harry Potter Thread 576792747

Re: Harry Potter ThreadWed Aug 10, 2016 7:06 pm

Yeah lol the list i made was just random really i love them all but some have personal value to me.

Now i can understand you for the movie thing. The first Harry Potter i saw was Prisoner of Azkaban i think when i was like 3? I dont remember it really since i was really little but knowing it was the first time i got into the wizarding world makes it bery special thats why its one of my top ones. Also my favorite one is Half-Blood Prince witch is one of the worstly rated films in the series by critics (that know shit of Harry Potter), but it was my stone and inspiration in my younger years so i will always love it, all trough i do admits i can definitely point some flaws. Also the scene Harry and Hermoine dancing i dont think was Rowling's idea or had her approval really. It was just added as a nod to the many shippers of Harry and Hermoine in the fandom. Tho it is a greatly filmed scene indeed.

Also just saying if you didnt know, Rowling actually was going to ship Harry and Hermoine but in the last few books desided against that.

And yeah Harry (Me) is handsome and very smart. I'm tha real wizard in here...hear at what you goddess has to say to Harry in the first room after the chess game...

Re: Harry Potter ThreadWed Aug 10, 2016 8:01 pm

I got the Cursed Child but haven't read it yet. Dissapointed that it's wrote like a play and not a book.

Worst movie imo was The Order of Phoenix. They literally cut almost everything out of it from the book lol. On the other hand, The Order of Phoenix was my favorite of the books.

My order of favorite books:

1. Order of Phoenix
2. Chamber of Secrets
3. Prisoner of Askaban

Everything else is tied at 4th bc it's hard to judge them against each other lol

Re: Harry Potter ThreadWed Aug 10, 2016 8:35 pm

David Yates wrote:

[Writer] Steve Kloves said to me – we were working away in the office – and he says to me, “This might sound really weird, but I could see them dancing,” and the minute he said that, I said, “My God, you’re right, that would be great. Let’s make that work. Let’s try that.” And it’s a scene that seems to divide people – some people love it, some people absolutely hate it. I love it, that’s why it’s in the movie. I find it very tender, very funny, very moving. For me, it’s about them becoming grown-ups, growing up in a very painful way. I got a wonderful choreographer named Anthony Van Laast, and I know it doesn’t look very choreographed, but actually, it is. It was all about the awkwardness of the moment, letting go a little bit. I like the notion that they find comfort in each other when everything seems to be falling apart. It seems like a very natural thing to do — trying to provide warmth for each other as friends. For me, it’s a very special moment in the film – but I know it drives some people nuts [laughs].

This is how this beautiful scene was created (it wasn't J.K.)

And I agree with Linda, I also don't love OOTP because Sirius Black was killed (DAMN J.K., YOU COULD HAVE KILLED ARTHUR WEASLEY!)

Every scene in the movies have J.K.'s approval Pep. At least those who are not in the books, like this one.

And interesting to hear, but where have you found out that? My sources do not say that.

J.K. has actually said in an interview that she paired Ron and Hermione because she wanted to stick with her original imagination, but that Harry and Hermione are better fit in some ways. And that fans might be furious that Hermione didn't end with Harry.

Re: Harry Potter ThreadThu Aug 11, 2016 4:25 am

@Lux: Killing Arthur wouldn't have served the same purpose as killing Sirius .-. Sirius was the only family Harry had.

Re: Harry Potter ThreadThu Aug 11, 2016 11:03 am

I know it wouldn't. But J.K. was first aiming to kill Arthur, not Sirius. Then she realized that Arthur is one of the very few good fathers in the franchise so she left him only injured and killed Sirius Harry Potter Thread 3152200200

Re: Harry Potter ThreadThu Aug 11, 2016 12:00 pm

Order of the Phoenic as a book is a one of the most relatable ones in the series. It's a growing up book at it's core, it's shows many struggles that normal teenagers have to go trough in a magical way with all the Cho love doodles and the so called teenage rebellion that we see with the DA. Truly a masterful way to describe the generic stages people go trough at that age. And really the movie didn't deliver the same way. It had the same idea at it's base but with the so many missing parts from the book somethings felt kinda forced "How was it?...Wet..." (Ughg hated that kiss...so cheesy) Tho it did deliver for me in other parts that poeple often forget. It showed really well the emotional struggles of Harry and did very good job in building the bond between Harry and Sirius. Some people may say the film was boring but that's because not everyone can enjoy the passive beauty of the fiml that we see until the final act. And that for me was one of the best acts in the whole movie series. First you could feel the intensity and the mystery, after that there is a greatly executed big battle that is like a storm for a couple of minutes and the out of nowhere you get hit with the death of Sirius. At the time when i watched the 5 movie in the cinema I hadn't read the 5th book and my sister wasn't able to spoil me so seing one of my favorite characters just die like that was heartbreaking. I was really mad but sad and i felt just the way Harry did. And that is why this scene for me is one of the best in the series. It was so beautifully executed and it made you want to hate everybody for doing it. And let's not forget the fight between Voldemort and Dumbeldor witch was the best wizards duel it all of the movies. So i do think this movie definitely has the most flaws in terms of missing plot but it's also very good at progressing the story with what it has and creating a great bond between two incredible characters.

Also many of the things I've read are from quite a while back so they might be a little twisted here and there but the general idea is there, so don't hit me about the Hermoine love trinagle. I thought that Rowling's general idea was for Hermoine to be with Harry and i forgot about Ron, but i might be wrong.

From what i know Rowling firstly intended to kill Arthur but then changed it just so he could watch his son die later (i don't thinks that's the reason it's just being sassy...). Also it was made so Harry could really push Harry's emotions to the limits, and also develope his character even more as an extremely strong and good person, also give him even more motives to do everything to destroy Voldemort. But i think that was one of the best decisions that Rowling made (Killing Sirius instead of Arthur). She didn't want to leave the Wesleys without a father, but also for me it was the right time for Sirius. I've tried many times to imagine what it would've been if Serius would be alive and it always and he always ends up dead but in a more unsatisfying way. For me the way he died did him justice. It was the right time.

Also Lux you say it like if a scene is not liked by Rowling it will be cut from the movie. And i don't think this is true at all even for the scenes that aren't in the books. I'm pretty sure that Rowling has little to no involvement in the movies (Unlikein the Fantastic Beasts movies for example) and the directors don't need to get permission from the author as long as it's not a plot defying thing witch obviously could not be done since the movies are a book adaptation. Authors are oftenly not even shown the adaptations of there books and completely hate it when they see them (Rick Riordan and the Percy Jackson movies for example...the guy said himself that there is nobody that hates the movies more then himself...). Now obviously in our case it's not like that. Rowling has always been asked for a lot of thing by the directors and the actors, to help them understand the meaning of a scene or get to know there character better, also they have always valued greatly her opinion on the finished product, but asking for permission for a scene not in the books? I dont think so. They are free to add anything they want as a filler as long as it connects to the general plot and atmosphere of the movie.

Re: Harry Potter ThreadThu Aug 11, 2016 7:10 pm

@Pepo: I dont think it showed Harry's emotions very well at all. They even cut out him exploding at Ron and Hermoine for being with the Order while he was with the Dursleys kept in the dark, and him trashing Dumbledores office in rage, etc

Re: Harry Potter ThreadThu Aug 11, 2016 8:31 pm

Yeah again as i said many things were cut out from the movie witch contributed to most of it's flaws. But as i said they did a pretty solid job with the things they had. Let's not forget that it aint an easy task to get such a big book into a 2 hour movie. OOTP is especially hard since it's a book that focuses a lot on the little diteils that make the bigger picture. Tho really the 4, 5 and 6th movie all suffer from that problem.

Re: Harry Potter ThreadThu Aug 11, 2016 9:07 pm

You bulgarians really suck at spelling/pronouncing Hermione Harry Potter Thread 576792747

I agree that Sirius had to die soon or later. But I am so gutted he did die. He has such a tragic story, perhaps the most tragic one in the franchise. First his family sucked, and he didn't want to go to Hogwarts because he was scared of being sorted into Slytherin and become bad person just like his parents. His brother became a death eater, his best friend and his wife get killed by none other than Lord Voldemort because his other best friend betrayed them, served 12 years in Azkaban for crimes Wormtail did, then he had to hide for nearly 3 years because Dementors were looking all over for him. And not to forget to mention that his fiancee who was also pregnant died before Potters were killed.

And he still is such an amazing spirit. The scene in DH when Harry uses Resurrection Stone and when he talked to Sirius almost teared me, and I almost never cry during movies Harry Potter Thread 717478193

Re: Harry Potter ThreadThu Aug 11, 2016 10:34 pm

Lol we bulgarians such everything...i mean such AT everything...but like I don't know why I don't spell her name right lol...

Yeah and I think he as a whole has such a deep and interesting character...i feel Rowling could win a lot if she goes the path of discovering him and all the marourders really. A movie/book (preferably from Sirius's perspective) about there childhood and later adulthood would be one of the most amazing things that could happen ever...tho knowing Rowling we are gonna get more useless stuff...(don't get me wrong i do hope Fantastic Beasts is great...) Also Sirius would've made a great father...he is one of the strongest personalities in the whole series. The same with Lupin...he had to watch how all of his friends die or betray him, could never get into the society because he was a warewolf and he was always alone and even when he finaly met the love of his life and got a son, he marched of to battle where he heroicly died side by side with his wife...and then there Wormtail...a fuck load of bullocks...fuck Wormtail...but yeah...i want a marauders movie right now in my life...

Lol I've cried more at Harry Potter books and novies then in my whole life...nobody can blame you...

Re: Harry Potter ThreadFri Aug 12, 2016 10:51 pm

Yeah I agree. Not only the Marauders era, but I'm curious to see so MANY things in a book or on a screen. Let me list some of it.

Dumbledore vs Grindewald duel (it's reported to be the greatest duel of all-time, I mean, who would not want to see that, and Grindewald had the Elder Wand!
Life of Albus Dumbledore (before Harry started to go to Hogwarts), this would include his very childhood and of course 3-way duel between him, Aberforth and Gellert Grindewald in which Ariana Dumbledore has been killed by one of these three.

Hogwarts: Founding (and Salazar Slytherin's departure)

Hogwarts: History (I mean come on!!! It's always been so interesting book in the franchise. Plus we got Fantastic Beasts what was also a book in Hogwarts, this definitely needs to be done).

Marauders (Not that Bruce Willis shit I regreted watching)

And of course Cursed Child but with original cast, at least the golden trio,

This universe can go so much further.

Re: Harry Potter ThreadFri Aug 12, 2016 11:26 pm

Oh lol you are so right, I think it would've been a shame for Rowling to much such a big and interesting world full of unexplored possibilitys if she didn't go deeper into them...if not movies, then books at least...

I've always dreamed of like a Dumbeldore trilogy of movies/books. First movie would be his childhood with his father and the way he was sent to Azkaban, exploring more his relationship ship with his mother and brother, his time at Hogwarts (all though j don't know how they would fit that into one movie/book, tho I woudnt mind more). Then after that his young adulthood, the friendship with Grindewald and the tragedys he had to go trough first with his mother, then his sister and then his brother as well...how he rose to fame even after everything he got trough and finally got the courage to face his old friend and defeat him in an epic duel And finally what was happening in his life trough Harry's life and how Dumbeldor always helped him without Harry knowing and his Horcruxs hunting...omg Dumbeldor has so much potential in himself i would literally cry my face off if we get something like this...

Also the History of Hogwarts would be a terrific thing as well...where we get not only the creation of the castle but the backstory's to those great wizards that could posibly like smartly connect to some characters we know and would give them a big twist...like if Nevil was related to Gryfindor or something that would give us a whole new way to look at the story, next time we watch the Harry Potter movies, or read the books. We can get the creation of the Chamber of Secrets, what Slytherin did when he left Hogwarts), how they all died. OMG, im gonna rite a fanfiction if this is not done, seriously.

Maraurders NEED a movie/book. It would be a wonderfull thing to see there lifes at Hogwarts, and even after that, the creation of the Order of the Phoenix, the start of the first wizarding war even...

Now let's not forget tho, that Snape's life would be an incredible book/movie material. Firstly looking trough his childfood seing how he loyaly loved Lilly his whole life, but never got to be with her. His time at Hogwarts, being bullied by James and his gang and always being the 5th wheel and underapriciated except by Lilly but then even she leaves him, when she fall in love with James. Then his time with Voldemort for the first time and then agreeing to serve as a double double-agent for the good guys and then after the death of James and Lilly agreeing to protect Harry...this would probably be my favorite since i so sincerely love Snape...

And to be perfectly Honest by watching some reviews I'm gonna go reading the cursed child with low expectations since it's said to be just a loot of timey-whymi confusing stuff with no real plot. Now I'm hoping it's not and it's actually good, since this is probably the only cannon we are gonna get for the lives of the characters after the war...(i was still hoping for a movie/book on that but hey...)

Re: Harry Potter ThreadFri Aug 12, 2016 11:53 pm

Wouldn't Marauders book/movie also cover Snape's story too? These two stories would be quite similar, wouldn't they?

Re: Harry Potter ThreadFri Aug 12, 2016 11:57 pm

Well they would definetly cross paths but at the core you can't really put them into one, since the experiences that both party's had were very different from one another...I'm talking a solo movie(s)/book(s) about Snape's story in his own perspective and with him being the main point of the film. The Marauders on there own are a big thing and they need there separate cannon in my opinion.

Re: Harry Potter ThreadFri Aug 12, 2016 11:59 pm

Tbh, I think that Snape themed book or a movie would be kinda boring, at least from his own perspective. Don't get me wrong.

Re: Harry Potter ThreadSat Aug 13, 2016 12:09 am

Well it's not your opinion only. I myself would pay all the money in the world to see it. For me Snape was one of if not the best characters that Rowling made. So complex and so strong as a person and as a personality and seing what made him this person all the things he lived trough all the risks he exposed himself to and all the sacrifices he made to fulfill his promises would be a dream come true for me and for many other fans as well.

Re: Harry Potter ThreadSat Aug 13, 2016 12:14 am

Yeah, he definitely is. Not among my favorite though.

But really, though, I do not find his story entertaining enough. But it would be a cool thing for sure.

What about Merlin? He is very entertaining.

And yay, my 4000th post, now I can go sleep in peace cheers

Re: Harry Potter ThreadSat Aug 13, 2016 12:22 am

You just don't understand the true beuty of his character...

His story is one of bravery and courageousness, fear and love, hatred and friendship...truly a masterful character with a great story to tell that would definetly change your mind if done properly.

Also Merlin lol

Lol congrats, i was wondering if that's why you weren't asleep still lol ^^

Re: Harry Potter ThreadSun Aug 14, 2016 12:15 am

I do. Many of the Harry Potter fans have a wrong picture of Snape. But I'll hold it for myself, since not many people would like or agree with I would say. He is a brave character, yes, and without him Voldemort would never been defeated. I respect him.

Merlin is one great character, his story would be awesome.

Re: Harry Potter ThreadSun Aug 14, 2016 8:01 am

Actually i would really like to hear your opinion on Shape, since people do have a wrong opinion on him. They hate him, tho originally that was his purpose. He was supposed to be seen as more of a passive antagonist then the protagonist he turned out be.

Also i hope you are joking Merlin is more of a pun really...why not add Arthur and the knights of the round table while you are at it and maybe we can get ourselves a lord of the rings and Harry Potter crossover ei?

Re: Harry Potter ThreadSun Aug 14, 2016 6:16 pm

Okay, I got my copy of Cursed Child today. So, naturally, I've read it in a few hours time.

It really changed my opinion on some of the characters (I also started to tolerate Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione more...).

I don't hate Snape, Pep, but my opinion changed on him after The Cursed Child.

And you obviously do not know about Merlin in HP, do you?

Re: Harry Potter ThreadSun Aug 14, 2016 8:01 pm

I do know bout him in the HP universe. I agree it would be interesting to see his story in Hogwarts and the HP's on king Arthur tho seriously...Merlin's beard Lux you got to be kidding...

Oh so he has a part in the cursed child? I'm trying to get away from spoilers till i read it myself tho i dont know how close this will be unfortunately. I heard it's a fast read read that you can get trough in one sitting. What did you think of it?

Re: Harry Potter ThreadSun Aug 14, 2016 8:13 pm

Yer, sorry for Snape spoiler. Eh, it's not that easy to read. I needed couple of hours to read it. It's pretty good, love the plot, it would be better if it would be written like other 7 stories were, but this is just fine too.

Merlin is rumoured to be taugh at Hogwarts by Salazar Slytherin himself, and Merlin was actually fighting for muggle rights and he loved muggles. I'm sure something interesting could be written, especially that it has been said that Merlin is one of the greatest wizards ever. And to answer your little bit annoying question, no, I am not kidding Harry Potter Thread 3974120512

Re: Harry Potter ThreadSun Aug 14, 2016 8:29 pm

Nah, this actually got me a bit more pumped for it...I love Snape. I've heard mixed opinions about the plot so thats why i'm asking. I do hope i get my hands on a copy soon by oh man is it expensive

Yeah you do have a point. Also if a good mind was put into creating a story it could become something really engaging, since we know really little about his story since it wasn't really meant to be a talking point but more of a filler, so there are endless possibilities to where his story could be taken, but unfortunately all we can hope for is for some good fanfiction for us to read and enjoy...

(I've read quite alot of HP fanfictions and there are some amazing ones...)

Get your game on!

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