Chaos Blackwings

https://i.imgur.com/XCMl4.png

Total Cards: 40



Monsters: 21

Blackwing - Blizzard the Far North x3

Blackwing - Bora the Spear x3

Blackwing - Shura the Blue Flame x3

Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow x2

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind x1

Blackwing - Sirocco the Dawn x1

Blackwing - Zephyros the Elite x1

Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor x1

Dark Armed Dragon x1

Thunder King Rai-Oh x2

Effect Veiler x2

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning x1



Spells: 9

Black Whirlwind x1

Allure of Darkness x1

Dark Hole x1

Heavy Storm x1

Monster Reborn x1

Mind Control x1

Book of Moon x1

Mystical Space Typhoon x2



Traps: 10

Solemn Judgment x1

Solemn Warning x2

Bottomless Trap Hole x2

Compulsory Evacuation Device x2

Icarus Attack x2

Torrential Tribute x1



Extra Deck: 15

Wind-Up Zenmaines x1

Number 39: Utopia x1

Maestroke the Symphony Djinn x1

Magical Android x1

Ally of Justice Catastor x1

Gaia Knight, the Force of Earth x1

Orient Dragon x1

Blackwing Armed Wing x1

Scrap Archfiend x1

Black Rose Dragon x1

Blackwing Armor Master x1

Stardust Dragon x1

Scrap Dragon x1

Void Ogre Dragon x1

Mist Wurm x1



Side Deck: 15

Soul Drain x3

Gozen Match x2

Mirror of Oaths x2

Mischief of the Yokai x2

Rivalry of Warlords x1

Prohibition x2

System Down x2

Mystical Space Typhoon x1

This deck has been winning me games for a long time now, and I've come to be a Blackwing veteran playing it. However, with the meta changing as it is, I think it might be time for an update. Please rate from 1-10 and make suggestions. Constructive criticism is appreciated.

Last edited by Lord of Blue-Eyes on Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:44 pm; edited 1 time in total

i would say 9 because look pretty good and i didnt say ten because some cards i dont really know but alot of them look pretty good cards to have

yeah it looks pretty good didnt know you had a link so i think a 9.5 or 9 because most of the cards is pretty good to have

cardhunter12 wrote:

yeah it looks pretty good didnt know you had a link so i think a 9.5 or 9 because most of the cards is pretty good to have

Hey, thanks. I put a lot of work into it over the past few formats (I was using Chaos Sorceror instead of BLS until it got unbanned). Got any suggestions on how to make it better?

i would say add some more lights so you can summon luster soldier thats all i can think of so ill let you know if anything else

and maybe get some cards like foolish grave so you can play monster reborn and summon luster soldier

i meant to say send a light monster to your deck to grave to summon luster quicker or send a powerful monster to grave so you can play reborn to bring it back

Foolish Burial is mainly used in Vayu Turbo builds to get it into the graveyard quicker and easily go for Armed Wing or Armor Master. There just wasn't room for it in this deck.

Also, there isn't any room for more lights, and frankly i wouldnt add more anyway. I've come to learn with experience that the monster count is good as it is. Also, you can't use Monster Reborn on BLS because its a Semi-Nomi monster.

i know but im srry i couldnt help

cardhunter12 do not double and tripple post, it's considerate spam. Also this is your 1 and only unofficial warning you will receive.

As for the deck

I would suggest running 3 Icarus Attack and 2 Torrential Tributes, also Compulsory Evacuation Device x2. (this format D. Prison and Bottomless are not that good)

I would remove one blizzard and add Gorz. Blizzard is a nice card but it can't be special summoned and that for Blackwings is not good . I would also add a mirror force. And add some place for Gram in your extra deck

It's about as Chaos Wings as it could be. There just isnt room for more light monsters if i want to keep the deck at 40 cards. It would make the Blackwing part of the deck more inconsistent. I have also gotten multiple other opinions of this deck and they say that the monster count should be left as it is for multiple reasons, and personally I agree, that's just me. I guess this is more Blackwings with a Chaos engine added in.

In regards to Void Ogre, I thought it was a rather terrible choice for a blackwing deck myself when a guy on Pojo forums, xTenraix, proposed the idea to me. Silly me. Void. Ogre. Is. God. It wins me so many games. I realize looking back now, when I'm spamming synchros like mad and doing my thing, my hand is almost always (and im not exaggerating) completely empty at the end of my combo. I do serious damage to my opponent, but I lose card advantage like mad, if my opponent topdecks a Dark Hole or Torrential, I get screwed over. Void Ogre allows me to continue to strengthen my position on the field even when my advantage in terms of card numbers is in the negatives. I'm telling you, its just an absolutely amazing card. Try it out.

In reply to Archer (I don't know how to multi-quote), I would be running 2 Torential, but once again, there is just no room. That is the biggest problem with the deck. I have to keep at 40 cards, so I have to limit the number of cards I want to use. I also get so much hate for not running 3 Icarus. In this deck, it gets way too cramped and too inconsistent to add 3 Icarus. Many others I know agree with me when I say 2 is the right amount (if only it were still semi'd).

I can also argue for days on end in an arguement about CED vs D Prison. DP saves me time and time again, getting rid of the opponent's attacking beatstick usually for good. Compulse, even though it baits that MST and chains to it like a boss, is a -1 card. And while it may cause your opponent to waste resources, usually what you compulse has a fair chance of showing up again sometime later in the game, which is a risk I can't afford to take. Bottomless is also chainable to a summon, except it gets rid of the monster more or less for good. I MAY try CED instead of D-Prison, but right now my op is prejudiced towards D-prison. Maybe I'm just too busy living in the 2011 formats, but thats just how I feel.

In regards to Lutalica, I will always be running 3 Blizzard, as a Blackwing vet, I can speak for most experienced players of the archetype when I say it is just BW standard to run 3 Blizzard, if just for consistency. I also don't happen to mind having a Level 6 Synchro on the field for practically free. I know a few poeple who do just run 2 Blizz though, and although I disagree, I respect yur opinion.

Gorz is something I again just plain didnt have room for, in the end i decided to cut it bcuz the whole point of the deck is to keep advancing my position on the board over my opponent, if my field is ever empty, then I've probably lost already. That's the plastyle of this deck. Hopefully that's not wrong (I doubt it cuz i been winning with this deck for a looooong time now.)

Mirror force is just slow, runs into the same probs as D-Prison. Used to run it but I cut it because it's much easier to get around than D-Prison (its vunerable to Stardust Dragon, Safe Zone, Starlight Road etc.), and doesn't get rid of the monster(s) as permanently as D-Prison.

Umm, with regards to Gram, do you mind if I just be frank with you...this might seem rather harsh but I can't think of an easier way to say this.....Gram. Plain. Sucks. Period...no offense.

And it tooks like I ended up making an essay-length post . Funny because reading this in my mind it would actually only take 2 minutes or so to say all of this in reality.

I don't get it ._.

You should try Swallow's Nest. And -1 Shura for +1 Zephyr, Its a good card.

Fate-- wrote:

You should try Swallow's Nest. And -1 Shura for +1 Zephyr, Its a good card.

Apparently someone did not read the post, he already runs it.

Bottomless trap hole is not chainable at all, with 3 MST and Heavy Storm blowing up backrows everywhere and you not having Starlight Road means you have to run Compulsory because 1. it's chainable 2 No it's not a -1, at least it's a one for one and in the best possible situation it's a +2 >_>

Archer wrote:

Fate-- wrote:

You should try Swallow's Nest. And -1 Shura for +1 Zephyr, Its a good card.

Apparently someone did not read the post, he already runs it.

Bottomless trap hole is not chainable at all, with 3 MST and Heavy Storm blowing up backrows everywhere and you not having Starlight Road means you have to run Compulsory because 1. it's chainable 2 No it's not a -1, at least it's a one for one and in the best possible situation it's a +2 >_>

I said Bottomless could be used on the summon, as in, you dont have to wait until they attack. But yes, I am considering Compulse.

Effect Veiler is so meh at the moment :S
I'd rather use one more Thunder King and a Maxx C. If you want another Light then, go for a Ryko, never hurt Blackwings too much.

CED shouldn't even be a consideration. You should be expected to run CED in the maindeck if you're running removal traps at all. Also, as far as Effect Veiler goes, I would use it over TKR. You're obviously running both, but Effect Veiler is more viable against Geargia and Mermails/ Atlanteans.

Danica, the Great wrote:

Also, as far as Effect Veiler goes, I would use it over TKR. You're obviously running both, but Effect Veiler is more viable against Geargia and Mermails/ Atlanteans.

Good point, how could I forget those 2...
Keep in the Veilers forget what I said (not the Ryko part).

Danica, the Great wrote:

CED shouldn't even be a consideration. You should be expected to run CED in the maindeck if you're running removal traps at all. Also, as far as Effect Veiler goes, I would use it over TKR. You're obviously running both, but Effect Veiler is more viable against Geargia and Mermails/ Atlanteans.

I wouldn't quite go that far with CED, especially since Icarus Attack is utilized here. Solid card, yes, but not a given here.

Edit: Have you tested Mind Crush in the side? I'm not sure of your meta, but it would be a good side-board option.

The_Nameless wrote:

Danica, the Great wrote:

Also, as far as Effect Veiler goes, I would use it over TKR. You're obviously running both, but Effect Veiler is more viable against Geargia and Mermails/ Atlanteans.

Good point, how could I forget those 2...
Keep in the Veilers forget what I said (not the Ryko part).

I'm actually more worried about milling Gale, Black Whrilwind, Kalut, Dark Hole or something vital with Ryko.

As for the Maxx C, I used to play them, but that was before I changed the deck around and added a Chaos Engine.

I have swapped D-Prison for Compulsory Evacuation Device as of now.

I'm iffy on the Mind Crush, isn't it more luck based? I've never tried it before.

It's really good against Mermails (they search so much + Megalo needs to reveal himself) and Wind-Ups (Shark needs to reveal himself + also seaching a lot). It's pretty decent against those 2 and you get to see there hand.

The_Nameless wrote:

It's really good against Mermails (they search so much + Megalo needs to reveal himself) and Wind-Ups (Shark needs to reveal himself + also seaching a lot). It's pretty decent against those 2 and you get to see there hand.

Bro, just because you beat my old deck with those Frognarchs of yours (Yes, I'm STILL bitter), and later with your Wabbits (I was SO sacked) doesn't make you a Blackwing vet all of a sudden. Excuse me for being harsh, but COME ON, let me just tell you that being 2nd turn L&DD'ed and double teamed by Laggia AND Dolka is not fun.

All grudges aside for a moment, isn't Mind Crush pretty much a 1 time Prohibition, which I happen to side 2 of? What would I even swap it for? I just don't feel like it would be productive.

Anyway, on another note, I dropped Iron Chain Dragon (it just isn't that good), and am debating between replacing with Orient Dragon or Gravity Warrior. I can't decide which.

EDIT: The decklist has officially been updated.

lol
Well, I'm still unsure bout Icarus at 2. You should do this: -2 BTH, +1 TT, +1 Icarus. More mass destruction!

The_Nameless wrote:

lol
Well, I'm still unsure bout Icarus at 2. You should do this: -2 BTH, +1 TT, +1 Icarus. More mass destruction!

Icarus at 3 is too cramped for me. Especially since there's no room for any more cards without going over 40 or having too few of another. Also, I can't give up Bottomless, I just can't. Don't question it, don't ask why, I just can't...

Although if you really want a reason, I will just say that I don't really like to kill all my monsters along with my opponent's when I can just banish theirs.

Also, nobody has been giving me 1-10 ratings

Lord of Blue-Eyes wrote:

[quoted="The_Nameless"]It's really good against Mermails (they search so much + Megalo needs to reveal himself) and Wind-Ups (Shark needs to reveal himself + also seaching a lot). It's pretty decent against those 2 and you get to see there hand.

Bro, just because you beat my old deck with those Frognarchs of yours (Yes, I'm STILL bitter), and later with your Wabbits (I was SO sacked) doesn't make you a Blackwing vet all of a sudden. Excuse me for being harsh, but COME ON, let me just tell you that being 2nd turn L&DD'ed and double teamed by Laggia AND Dolka is not fun.

All grudges aside for a moment, isn't Mind Crush pretty much a 1 time Prohibition, which I happen to side 2 of? What would I even swap it for? I just don't feel like it would be productive.

Anyway, on another note, I dropped Iron Chain Dragon (it just isn't that good), and am debating between replacing with Orient Dragon or Gravity Warrior. I can't decide which.

EDIT: The decklist has officially been updated.[/quote]

The Mind Crush option is looking at it from a chainability standpoint. The pitfall to Prohibition is that it is extremely vulnerable the majority of the time (not necessarily a knock on it, as every card has it's own issue...for the most part).
Have you tested 2 Torrential and 1 Compulsory at all? You can plus with ease off Torrential plays In here.

Edit: apologies for screwed up quote...fun with phones and all. Haha.

Kay, I've updated the deck, especially that crappy side deck, and it looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/IZyU8.png. But recently I've been testing the deck with the Chaos engine removed entirely, giving me a lot more room for cards I wanted to use, but couldn't. It looks something like this: https://i.imgur.com/VQkq3.png. I can't decide which deck I prefer. Any suggestions/advice etc?

Icarus always at 3, in BW, i dont main MST in my BW, since i main 3 icarus, and u need 2 PoD its good in blackwings other than that i think its fine